Shouldn’t Mayweather be applauded for wanting testing for PEDs?

[.PrettyBoy32.]

im pointing out the he is afraid of needles is BS! everybody knows its the blood drawn from him near fight night is the true issue here...!

Then how come he was okay with taking a blood test lastweek for the clottey fight (general health check, not ped tests) but same amount of blood would be taken just more tests on the blood sample

[check hook]

im pointing out the he is afraid of needles is BS! everybody knows its the blood drawn from him near fight night is the true issue here...!

When did 14 days become near a fight???

They have already exposed themselves with the Clottey sitaution....back in heavy training the next day.......

[ISayYouHeDead]

Then how come he was okay with taking a blood test lastweek for the clottey fight (general health check, not ped tests) but same amount of blood would be taken just more tests on the blood sample

Don't forget about the tatoo's.

[carts]

Then how come he was okay with taking a blood test lastweek for the clottey fight (general health check, not ped tests) but same amount of blood would be taken just more tests on the blood sample

that was 20 days not 14 days..

[AFighter4U]

1-Do you really believe the superstition excuse? How about the needle phobia excuse,the blood phobia excuse,the pride excuse,the drained excuse, etc,etc,etc-c'mon we have heard every excuse under the sun-which one can you decypher to be real or not,and why do you choose one of the various excuses that have been shown to be fallible?
In fact,with all these lies (that have been exposed),how do you place any amount of trust in Manny's team?

when did manny ever say he was afraid of needles or blood? didn't you see the tattoos on him? those statements were attributed to Bob arum who is known for not being totally honest at times.

2-If Floyd's tests are "out of date",perhaps you should contact or suggest a more precise and strict testing.Of course,we seen the outcome when Manny was presented a more precise form of testing as opposed to the NSAC's version.The fact is,there have been fighters slipping through the NSAC's weak testing- why not update them and evolve/progress to attempt to catch up to the cheats?

Its not a question of "IF". Its a FACT that floyd's tests are out of date. Oh, and there are indeed better tests out there and they don't involve blood.

3-Of course Manny was willing to submit to urine tests-but the fact that urine tests can be masked or purged in little time is not a strict enough test.In fact,for Manny to be aware of which form of testing he will recieve(if he is getting a blood test on that day,or just a urine test) is even worst and ruins the process of being strict.I think the process should include perhaps BOTH blood and urine.If there is a way to do a hair strand test-perhaps we would hear more phobias,superstitions,excuses,etc.

True, urine tests can be masked or purged... But that is only AFTER 24 HOURS. Daily urine tests (which are very much possible) up to even twice a day would allow for detection and prevent any masking or purging. Heck, with the amount involved in that fight, they can very well afford even testing up to three times a day.

Actually, there IS a hair strand test available. But floyd jr. will have nothing of that... no way.

4-If both fighters agreed to the randomized testing-Floyd cannot dictate the day in which Manny gets tested.Only the agency does this-not Floyd.
As for blood testing being invasive-honestly think about this.Manny gets punched up in the ring and gives what I would figure to be a teaspoon of blood there-why would a less painful needle be invasive?
In fact-the same urine tests you mention,are the very same ones that allowed for Shane Mosely to slip through the cracks of drug testing (by the NSAC no less!),yet ironically even he will allow this random testing to be done-even a damn former self admitted drug cheat will now take these tests to prove he is clean,why wouldn't a clean Manny do this?It just plain looks and sounds bad every time I think about it...

You know what? If manny REALLY DID CHEAT, he would be more than willing to take that random blood test. How many people were actually caught cheating using HGH taking that blood test? Hmmm? Victor Conte and BALCO danced around that test for DECADES stuffing olympic athletes with roids and whatnot with impunity.

5-the testing would be blood AND urine testing with a 14 day allowance for the needles,yet the piss tests were to continue even after the 14 days.As well as this,I am sure they would have a blood test after the fight.Key thing to remember-BOTH Floyd and Manny will be receiving the testing.We are only hearing complaints and resistance from Manny about this,not Floyd...

Of course Floyd is not complaining. He has no problem with needles. But manny has and as i pointed out repeatedly, there is nothing blood tests can detect that urine cannot. Urine tests are just as good as blood and are actually better than blood tests.

6-If Floyd would not agree to the outrageous penalty amount for weighing in over 147,would Manny have ruined the fight or Floyd??? Let's face it-there is not one time Floyd has weighed in more than 147 for a welter weight fight-not one,so why the excessive amount.Wouldn't it be true that if Manny felt he could not beat Floyd if he was a fraction of a pound over the limit,then the money will not help or compensate a defeat.Why wouldn't he impose say a lesser amount,or deny the fight all together???
The fact is,one request has a benifit for BOTH fighters-the $10,000,000 penalty serves only one person IF Floyd weighed more (even though there is no reason to show that he weighed in excess of the agreed weight of 147)-it could have been meant as a detour for Floyd or to discourage him from the fight...keep in mind that the first large and unusual request came from Manny's side-not Floyd's....must be just another coincidence...

the $10 million stipulation was actually reasonable, considering the fact that floyd has no problem making that weight and that he has proven himself to not honor an agreement if he could afford it. Yes, it could have been a good detour, but floyd used an even BETTER ONE. The blood test excuse.

Fact is, the blood test wasn't really necessary. DAILY urine testing would have been more than suitable in preventing and detecting any su****ious substances. The only reason daily urine tests aren't standard practice is that not all fights are big enough to afford such an expensive undertaking.

[carts]

When did 14 days become near a fight???

They have already exposed themselves with the Clottey sitaution....back in heavy training the next day.......

14 days before the fight is in heavy training.. so they submitted to 24 days! watch the morales video! when he was tested and blood drawn from him 3 days before the fight. thats NEAR!!

[damned1974]

We dont know how much he weighed for the JMM fight. Wasnt he over 145 at the weigh in and refused to be weighed before the fight?

Im just saying, i can understand the penalty for coming in over the weight. If the last penalty didnt stop him, i guess they upped the fine to excessive amounts.

Though I remotely understand your theory,there is a very large gap in money between the $300,000 penalty per pound on a catchweight fight (keep in mind that the Floyd/Manny fight was to be at 147-a weight that Floyd has never exceeded-even in his last fight) and a $10,000,000 per fraction of a pound over 147. Manny's team knew this was an outrageous amount and that Floyd has NEVER weighed over the 147 limit for a welter weight fight.It was also the first large and unusual request in the negotiations.Like I have said before-would people be blaming Manny for the fight failing if Floyd rejected this stipulation,or would they still continue to find ways to justify the request.
As I see it,fair is fair-if one side has a large or unusual request,then it is only fair for the other person to have their own-within reason.I,along with most people had viewed the random testing with a 14 day cut off from the blood testing,to be VERY fair. It makes you wonder if Floyd's request would have existed if Manny didn't make one for himself...we are dealing with two of the biggest boxing egos in the sport.If you think Manny doesn't have much of an ego or problems in negotiations-then look back to the problems that occured with the negotiation process between Oscar,Hatton,and Cotto fights.They almost never happened and were called off at various points.

[damned1974]

when did manny ever say he was afraid of needles or blood? didn't you see the tattoos on him? those statements were attributed to Bob arum who is known for not being totally honest at times.




Its not a question of "IF". Its a FACT that floyd's tests are out of date. Oh, and there are indeed better tests out there and they don't involve blood.



True, urine tests can be masked or purged... But that is only AFTER 24 HOURS. Daily urine tests (which are very much possible) up to even twice a day would allow for detection and prevent any masking or purging. Heck, with the amount involved in that fight, they can very well afford even testing up to three times a day.

Actually, there IS a hair strand test available. But floyd jr. will have nothing of that... no way.




You know what? If manny REALLY DID CHEAT, he would be more than willing to take that random blood test. How many people were actually caught cheating using HGH taking that blood test? Hmmm? Victor Conte and BALCO danced around that test for DECADES stuffing olympic athletes with roids and whatnot with impunity.



Of course Floyd is not complaining. He has no problem with needles. But manny has and as i pointed out repeatedly, there is nothing blood tests can detect that urine cannot. Urine tests are just as good as blood and are actually better than blood tests.



the $10 million stipulation was actually reasonable, considering the fact that floyd has no problem making that weight and that he has proven himself to not honor an agreement if he could afford it. Yes, it could have been a good detour, but floyd used an even BETTER ONE. The blood test excuse.

Fact is, the blood test wasn't really necessary. DAILY urine testing would have been more than suitable in preventing and detecting any su****ious substances. The only reason daily urine tests aren't standard practice is that not all fights are big enough to afford such an expensive undertaking.

lol-in the first phrase above,you say "when does Manny ever say he is afraid of needles or blood?",yet now you say that Manny does have a problem with them.This is what I mean- they are so fumbled on their own B.S. excuses,that it makes them look more and more su****ious when the tests are mentioned.Now mysteriously,Manny has the gift of taking blood testing 20 days before a fight with Clottey for a smaller legacy and a fraction of the money....it is raising more and more hints, suggestions, and su****ions. Sure,it doesn't prove that he is guilty,but his rigidity on the issue is giving him a worst name than Floyd's crooked father.
As I said before-going through a long drawn out,gamble of a lawsuit with a lawyer that doesn't specialize in libel nor defamation lawsuits,takes too much effort,energy, time and money.
The easy and most convincing way in the public's eye would be to just make Floyd a liar by testing out clean. Afterwards, he can sue if he really wants the money, because his integrity would be restored by those who doubted him.Before assuming he shouldn't concern himself with any of these "doubters",then ask yourself why he wants to show his innocence in the first place (the easy answer is to restore his image and innocence to the public).
Now as far as $10,000,000 dollars being reasonable based on Floyd coming in over a catchweight fight-that is very debateable.It certainly looks like a way to detour a fighter from signing.In fact,I don't think many boxers would agree to that penalty.
If you wanna get down to it,people can also say Floyd has a reason to be su****ious of Manny and PEDs because some of the Wild Card gyms fighters have been doing steroids and Freddie Roach was training them at the time.Combine that reason with Ariza saying "Manny doesn't know what supplements he is taking" and we actually have a legitimate reason to warrant strict testing...
At the end of it-both are outrageous claims and unusual requests with vague logic behind the demands.

[-Antonio-]

Applauded? Please. Maybe if that were his true intentions. Why didn't Marquez get blood tested? Hatton, Oscar, Baldy, and so on. It's all bull****.

The same guy who pissed on the sport by showing up 2 pounds overweight to a scheduled catch-weight bout had a stroke of kindheartedness and decided he wanted to clean up the sport...gtfoh I'm tired of people being so damn naive. It's ridiculous.

[-Antonio-]

Though I remotely understand your theory,there is a very large gap in money between the $300,000 penalty per pound on a catchweight fight (keep in mind that the Floyd/Manny fight was to be at 147-a weight that Floyd has never exceeded-even in his last fight) and a $10,000,000 per fraction of a pound over 147. Manny's team knew this was an outrageous amount and that Floyd has NEVER weighed over the 147 limit for a welter weight fight.It was also the first large and unusual request in the negotiations.Like I have said before-would people be blaming Manny for the fight failing if Floyd rejected this stipulation,or would they still continue to find ways to justify the request.
As I see it,fair is fair-if one side has a large or unusual request,then it is only fair for the other person to have their own-within reason.I,along with most people had viewed the random testing with a 14 day cut off from the blood testing,to be VERY fair. It makes you wonder if Floyd's request would have existed if Manny didn't make one for himself...we are dealing with two of the biggest boxing egos in the sport.If you think Manny doesn't have much of an ego or problems in negotiations-then look back to the problems that occured with the negotiation process between Oscar,Hatton,and Cotto fights.They almost never happened and were called off at various points.

Whether Floyd had his panties in a bunch or not doesn't make a damn difference. The man showed up 2 pounds overweight, knowing he'd lose close to a million doing so. When a guy does that, you have to propose an outrageous penalty to keep them in line.

He's the one who was caught breaking the rules. If Manny had failed a roids test before, or been rumored to have close ties to HGH then it'd be different.