Shouldn’t Mayweather be applauded for wanting testing for PEDs?

[AFighter4U]

Here are some facts which most of the posters here tend to ignore:

1. It has been repeated over and over again that Manny doesn't want blood taken from him close to a fight mainly because of his superstitious belief that it drains his strength.
2. If floyd jr. was really interested in cleaning the sport, then he wouldn't have advocated an out of date, practically useless test that in the decades it has been used only was able to catch ONE SOLITARY CHEAT using HGH.

ONLY ONE.

3. Manny was willing to submit himself to random urine tests up to the fight night. Urine tests which are capable of detecting HGH, PEDS and steroids. In other words, whatever blood tests can detect, urine tests can detect as well, thus making it just as good if not BETTER than random blood tests.
4. Urine tests are much better than blood tests in that not only is it not invasive and thus is safe, a person can be expected to urinate at least twice a day and thus enable them to be tested even daily if floyd wanted it.

5. Which is better: RANDOM BLOOD TESTS UP TO 14 DAYS BEFORE A FIGHT, or daily urine tests UP TO THE DAY OF THE FIGHT?

Of course, daily tests up to the day of the fight are much better. But why then did floyd jr. INSIST in the inferior alternative?

6. For those who keep on asking why Manny would say no to $40 million over a blood test, i have this question: Why did floyd throw away $40 million over a practically useless random blood test when a better alternative in urine tests were available?

[.PrettyBoy32.]

Props?



**** off.

Your a poster SAM I don't know why you continuosly put yourself down sayin dat ****

[damned1974]

Here are some facts which most of the posters here tend to ignore:

1. It has been repeated over and over again that Manny doesn't want blood taken from him close to a fight mainly because of his superstitious belief that it drains his strength.
2. If floyd jr. was really interested in cleaning the sport, then he wouldn't have advocated an out of date, practically useless test that in the decades it has been used only was able to catch ONE SOLITARY CHEAT using HGH.

ONLY ONE.

3. Manny was willing to submit himself to random urine tests up to the fight night. Urine tests which are capable of detecting HGH, PEDS and steroids. In other words, whatever blood tests can detect, urine tests can detect as well, thus making it just as good if not BETTER than random blood tests.
4. Urine tests are much better than blood tests in that not only is it not invasive and thus is safe, a person can be expected to urinate at least twice a day and thus enable them to be tested even daily if floyd wanted it.

5. Which is better: RANDOM BLOOD TESTS UP TO 14 DAYS BEFORE A FIGHT, or daily urine tests UP TO THE DAY OF THE FIGHT?

Of course, daily tests up to the day of the fight are much better. But why then did floyd jr. INSIST in the inferior alternative?

6. For those who keep on asking why Manny would say no to $40 million over a blood test, i have this question: Why did floyd throw away $40 million over a practically useless random blood test when a better alternative in urine tests were available?

1-Do you really believe the superstition excuse? How about the needle phobia excuse,the blood phobia excuse,the pride excuse,the drained excuse, etc,etc,etc-c'mon we have heard every excuse under the sun-which one can you decypher to be real or not,and why do you choose one of the various excuses that have been shown to be fallible?
In fact,with all these lies (that have been exposed),how do you place any amount of trust in Manny's team?
2-If Floyd's tests are "out of date",perhaps you should contact or suggest a more precise and strict testing.Of course,we seen the outcome when Manny was presented a more precise form of testing as opposed to the NSAC's version.The fact is,there have been fighters slipping through the NSAC's weak testing- why not update them and evolve/progress to attempt to catch up to the cheats?
3-Of course Manny was willing to submit to urine tests-but the fact that urine tests can be masked or purged in little time is not a strict enough test.In fact,for Manny to be aware of which form of testing he will recieve(if he is getting a blood test on that day,or just a urine test) is even worst and ruins the process of being strict.I think the process should include perhaps BOTH blood and urine.If there is a way to do a hair strand test-perhaps we would hear more phobias,superstitions,excuses,etc.
4-If both fighters agreed to the randomized testing-Floyd cannot dictate the day in which Manny gets tested.Only the agency does this-not Floyd.
As for blood testing being invasive-honestly think about this.Manny gets punched up in the ring and gives what I would figure to be a teaspoon of blood there-why would a less painful needle be invasive?
In fact-the same urine tests you mention,are the very same ones that allowed for Shane Mosely to slip through the cracks of drug testing (by the NSAC no less!),yet ironically even he will allow this random testing to be done-even a damn former self admitted drug cheat will now take these tests to prove he is clean,why wouldn't a clean Manny do this?It just plain looks and sounds bad every time I think about it...
5-the testing would be blood AND urine testing with a 14 day allowance for the needles,yet the piss tests were to continue even after the 14 days.As well as this,I am sure they would have a blood test after the fight.Key thing to remember-BOTH Floyd and Manny will be receiving the testing.We are only hearing complaints and resistance from Manny about this,not Floyd...
6-If Floyd would not agree to the outrageous penalty amount for weighing in over 147,would Manny have ruined the fight or Floyd??? Let's face it-there is not one time Floyd has weighed in more than 147 for a welter weight fight-not one,so why the excessive amount.Wouldn't it be true that if Manny felt he could not beat Floyd if he was a fraction of a pound over the limit,then the money will not help or compensate a defeat.Why wouldn't he impose say a lesser amount,or deny the fight all together???
The fact is,one request has a benifit for BOTH fighters-the $10,000,000 penalty serves only one person IF Floyd weighed more (even though there is no reason to show that he weighed in excess of the agreed weight of 147)-it could have been meant as a detour for Floyd or to discourage him from the fight...keep in mind that the first large and unusual request came from Manny's side-not Floyd's....must be just another coincidence...
It is also important to note that using the "innocent until proven guilty" philosophy is idealistic and never happens in reality.People are allowed to have su****ions-especially with resistance like this from Manny.
Su****ion has allowed authorities to conduct testing,statements,forensics,etc until the "not guilty" parties have been proven to be free of the suspected crime accused of.

[The Noose]

After reading a few responses its obvious a lot of posters are blaming Mayweather for killing the fight. They are saying he used the random drug tests to get under Pacquiao's skin. The fact is there's no way you can prove those were Floyds intentions. In fact, it looks just the opposite when you consider there were other fighters that expressed the same opinions. It would be different if it was just Floyd making these allegations. How was Floyd to know Pac would not agree to the testing? Who could have ever predicted that ***** to happen?

I think it was more mind games. Its not that floyd knew Pac would back out if he had to take a blood test (eventhough thats a theory as Pac stated before he believes blood tests would drain him).

I think in the same way that no one can prove what Floyd's intentions were, no one has proved Pac is taking PEDs.
U cant accuse someone because of their achievements.
U cant even accuse them if they dont want to take a test. U can be su****ious, but cant find them guilty if theres no evidence.

I think there are reasons Pac didnt want to take the test other than the idea he is taking PEDs.



Whats worse....fighting Floyd and losing after testing clean.
Or not taking the test, not fighting Floyd and having the whole world including ur countrymen think ur a cheat?

I think he didnt take the test because he was insulted by Floyd, didnt want to give him the upper hand by giving in to his demands, and maybe that he has a real fear/superstition about blood tests before a fight.

But who knows.

[carts]

1-Do you really believe the superstition excuse? How about the needle phobia excuse,the blood phobia excuse,the pride excuse,the drained excuse, etc,etc,etc-c'mon we have heard every excuse under the sun-which one can you decypher to be real or not,and why do you choose one of the various excuses that have been shown to be fallible?
In fact,with all these lies (that have been exposed),how do you place any amount of trust in Manny's team?
2-If Floyd's tests are "out of date",perhaps you should contact or suggest a more precise and strict testing.Of course,we seen the outcome when Manny was presented a more precise form of testing as opposed to the NSAC's version.The fact is,there have been fighters slipping through the NSAC's weak testing- why not update them and evolve/progress to attempt to catch up to the cheats?
3-Of course Manny was willing to submit to urine tests-but the fact that urine tests can be masked or purged in little time is not a strict enough test.In fact,for Manny to be aware of which form of testing he will recieve(if he is getting a blood test on that day,or just a urine test) is even worst and ruins the process of being strict.I think the process should include perhaps BOTH blood and urine.If there is a way to do a hair strand test-perhaps we would hear more phobias,superstitions,excuses,etc.
4-If both fighters agreed to the randomized testing-Floyd cannot dictate the day in which Manny gets tested.Only the agency does this-not Floyd.
As for blood testing being invasive-honestly think about this.Manny gets punched up in the ring and gives what I would figure to be a teaspoon of blood there-why would a less painful needle be invasive?
In fact-the same urine tests you mention,are the very same ones that allowed for Shane Mosely to slip through the cracks of drug testing (by the NSAC no less!),yet ironically even he will allow this random testing to be done-even a damn former self admitted drug cheat will now take these tests to prove he is clean,why wouldn't a clean Manny do this?It just plain looks and sounds bad every time I think about it...
5-the testing would be blood AND urine testing with a 14 day allowance for the needles,yet the piss tests were to continue even after the 14 days.As well as this,I am sure they would have a blood test after the fight.Key thing to remember-BOTH Floyd and Manny will be receiving the testing.We are only hearing complaints and resistance from Manny about this,not Floyd...
6-If Floyd would not agree to the outrageous penalty amount for weighing in over 147,would Manny have ruined the fight or Floyd??? Let's face it-there is not one time Floyd has weighed in more than 147 for a welter weight fight-not one,so why the excessive amount.Wouldn't it be true that if Manny felt he could not beat Floyd if he was a fraction of a pound over the limit,then the money will not help or compensate a defeat.Why wouldn't he impose say a lesser amount,or deny the fight all together???
The fact is,one request has a benifit for BOTH fighters-the $10,000,000 penalty serves only one person IF Floyd weighed more (even though there is no reason to show that he weighed in excess of the agreed weight of 147)-it could have been meant as a detour for Floyd or to discourage him from the fight...keep in mind that the first large and unusual request came from Manny's side-not Floyd's....must be just another coincidence...

how on earth will he take roids if he is afraid of needles??? i believe roids are injectable???

[.PrettyBoy32.]

how on earth will he take roids if he is afraid of needles??? i believe roids are injectable???

They come in caps aswell

[carts]

They come in caps aswell

im pointing out the he is afraid of needles is BS! everybody knows its the blood drawn from him near fight night is the true issue here...!

[The Noose]

6-If Floyd would not agree to the outrageous penalty amount for weighing in over 147,would Manny have ruined the fight or Floyd??? Let's face it-there is not one time Floyd has weighed in more than 147 for a welter weight fight-not one,

We dont know how much he weighed for the JMM fight. Wasnt he over 145 at the weigh in and refused to be weighed before the fight?

Im just saying, i can understand the penalty for coming in over the weight. If the last penalty didnt stop him, i guess they upped the fine to excessive amounts.

[ROGER MOORE]

Facts, lets deal with them.

FAIL.


She pass OLYMPIC STYLE DRUG test!

So OST is garbage!

[damned1974]

how on earth will he take roids if he is afraid of needles??? i believe roids are injectable???

Thank goodness you don't do the testing! Ironic that you have such a strong opinion and loyalty towards a certain fighter,yet don't understand how many ways there are to take various PEDs....