Who has a greater legacy, Joe Calzaghe or Ronald Wright?

[IMDAZED]

That dont mean anything that is just a sad reflection of the division. Hatton was 140lbs king pin for how many years that dont meant he was the ****.

You duck question after question you do.

Can i clear something up, do you think Hopkins was elite when he fought Joe and that Tito was not when he fought Wink?

What question did I duck? Feel free to ask (again) and I will answer.

And to answer your bolded question here, absolutely. Without question. Without a second thought.

[Dynamite Kid]

What shows that Tito was still elite? Because he blasted Ricardo Mayorga at 160?

You've already said Tito was out of his prime and that its arguable if Quartey was ever elite.

Nothing more needs to be said.

I already explained that. The fact that you cant show me where Tito took major punishment in his career to the point where he could be considered shot he was also not old to the point where his reflexes started to leave him.
Tito's physical was still there and could still back him, Hopkins could not.


What shows you that Hopkins was still elite? Hopkins was 40+ when he fought Calzaghe, its commonsense your reflexes ,legs, stamina start to go waaay before then.

Tito was past his best but he was still an elite fighter. I believe Quartey was elite he just did not get OFFICIAL decisions so i said that so i would not have to bicker with people whether he was or he wasn't. Quartey should of got decisions against Forrest & DLH.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I already explained that. The fact that you cant show me where Tito took major punishment in his career to the point where he could be considered shot he was also not old to the point where his reflexes started to leave him.
Tito's physical was still there and could still back him, Hopkins could not.


What shows you that Hopkins was still elite? Hopkins was 40+ when he fought Calzaghe, its commonsense your reflexes ,legs, stamina start to go waaay before then.

Tito was past his best but he was still an elite fighter. I believe Quartey was elite he just did not get OFFICIAL decisions so i said that so i would not have to bicker with people whether he was or he wasn't. Quartey should of got decisions against Forrest & DLH.

Good day sir.

[IMDAZED]

I already explained that. The fact that you cant show me where Tito took major punishment in his career to the point where he could be considered shot he was also not old to the point where his reflexes started to leave him.
Tito's physical was still there and could still back him, Hopkins could not.


What shows you that Hopkins was still elite? Hopkins was 40+ when he fought Calzaghe, its commonsense your reflexes ,legs, stamina start to go waaay before then.

Tito was past his best but he was still an elite fighter. I believe Quartey was elite he just did not get OFFICIAL decisions so i said that so i would not have to bicker with people whether he was or he wasn't. Quartey should of got decisions against Forrest & DLH.

I didn't say Tito was shot. I said he wasn't elite. He had fought once in three years, against a past-prime welter who had no business at 160.

[Dynamite Kid]

What question did I duck? Feel free to ask (again) and I will answer.

And to answer your bolded question here, absolutely. Without question. Without a second thought.

There were a few but i can recall, anyhow can you start addressing them instead of putting up question for me to answer.

Well im afraid i question your commonsense.


Pop quiz..

Do your legs start to get when you get older ?

Do your reflexes start to go when you get older ?

If Hopkins was still an elite fighter then why did he lose to Calzaghe/Jermain?

Was Tito in many wars?

Did Tito look shot against Wink?

So his physical is still in tact correct ?

Is Hopkins physical still intact against Calzaghe/Jermain?



There is no basis for your argument that Tito was no longer elite. Wink was an elite fighter himself that id hazard a guess that in most peoples estimation held stylistic advantages over him. Tito was not physically over manned he was outboxed, how does him being in his prime eradicate this problem, PLEASE above all answer this question.

[Dynamite Kid]

I didn't say Tito was shot. I said he wasn't elite. He had fought once in three years, against a past-prime welter who had no business at 160.

I never said you said Tito was shot im clarifying whether or not you held that opinion and if not then how can he no longer be elite when you view him as not being shot, not being old , not been in many wars.

No logic for your argument.

[AntDawg]

Gotta go with Winky.

[AKATheMack]

That style dates back to when he used to fight in France. So again, I urge you to go watch the tapes. And no, I didn't notice a difference in Winky's style. I noticed a different opponent, though.

Enough said.

[IMDAZED]

There were a few but i can recall, anyhow can you start addressing them instead of putting up question for me to answer. Well im afraid i question your commonsense.

LOL, ok.

Pop quiz..

Do your legs start to get when you get older ?

Get what? Define older too while you're at it. 25? 30? 40?

Do your reflexes start to go when you get older ?

Yes, at a certain point they tend to slow as you get older.

If Hopkins was still an elite fighter then why did he lose to Calzaghe/Jermain?

Well I thought he beat Jermain in the first fight handily. 8-4. I scored the second a draw. And I thought Calzaghe gave him hell because...well, Calzaghe's a good fighter! You act as if an elite Hopkins is unbeatable or something.

Was Tito in many wars?

He was in several. And took lots of shots in a lot of fights that weren't wars.

Did Tito look shot against Wink?

Shot? I don't know. He looked like he checked out in round two which was quite un-Tito like.

So his physical is still in tact correct?

Well yeah, he hadn't lost any limbs.

Is Hopkins physical still intact against Calzaghe/Jermain?

He hadn't lost any limbs either so I'll guess yes? WTF??

There is no basis for your argument that Tito was no longer elite. Wink was an elite fighter himself that id hazard a guess that in most peoples estimation held stylistic advantages over him. Tito was not physically over manned he was outboxed, how does him being in his prime eradicate this problem, PLEASE above all answer this question.

No basis? What was your basis for saying he was still elite?

[AntDawg]

I didn't say Tito was shot. I said he wasn't elite. He had fought once in three years, against a past-prime welter who had no business at 160.

Who else would have beaten him at middleweight back then besides Hopkins and Wright? The guy was dangerous at 160.