Who has a greater legacy, Joe Calzaghe or Ronald Wright?

[IMDAZED]

Mayorga had JUST his lineal welterweight championship to Cory Spinks via Majority decision. He was a top fighter at that point.

And what had he proven at...middle?

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That was a real close fight that Winky probably should have gotten the nod. And Vargas was another top fighter, albiet a bit early in his career.

Exactly. It was a real close fight - so it's a stretch to believe Winky would've beaten a prime Tito based on that. And honestly, I thought Winky lost the Vargas fight. Furthermore, Vargas was out of shape that fight which certainly doesn't help Winky's cause.

[Easy-E]

At what point did Hopkins stop being elite?

Hop is a top fighter, but once he moved to 175 he was not the fighter he was at middleweight imo.

[Easy-E]

Exactly. It was a real close fight - so it's a stretch to believe Winky would've beaten a prime Tito based on that. And honestly, I thought Winky lost the Vargas fight. Furthermore, Vargas was out of shape that fight which certainly doesn't help Winky's cause.

It is really all about styles though. Im not sure Winky was as developed defensively as he was a bit later in his career. Winky matches up better with Tito than vargas imo.

[AKATheMack]

Really? Why do you say that?

Once Winky began walking his opponents down more he became much more effective. Winky spent a lot of time moving backward in the Vargas fight and allowing Vargas to come forward which plays into Vargas hands.

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Hop is a top fighter, but once he moved to 175 he was not the fighter he was at middleweight imo.

When did Hopkins stop being elite? At which point did you realize this?

[Easy-E]

And what had he proven at...middle?

at light middle you mean?
He was a top fighter at welterweight who had just lost a close decision. It was a very good win for Tito that had alot of people thinking Tito was back, which is why he was so heavily favored over Winky.
Also, it wasnt just that Winky won, it was that he completly and totally dominated.
Won every round...wasnt even close.

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Once Winky began walking his opponents down more he became much more effective. Winky spent a lot of time moving backward in the Vargas fight and allowing Vargas to come forward which plays into Vargas hands.

So his prime came to fruition when he changed his style?

Wow.

[Dynamite Kid]

Like Winky when he fought Quartey and Tito?

If being fat is not in bad condition, I guess you're right.

At what point did Hopkins stop being elite?

When his psychical restricted him from doing what he wanted in the ring. Do you seriously think an elite fighter stepped in the ring with Jermain Taylor & Joe Calzaghe ?Hopkins tires now due to age and his reflexes diminished a long time ago, he lives on his elite skills and timing these days.

If you think Hopkins could not set a pace you should watch his fights with Mercado 1+2, Johnson because that Hopkins aint fading the way the Hopkins who stepping in the ring with Calzaghe did.

Another thing if an elite Hopkins did step in the ring with Joe then you would agree that Joe beats him in his prime to?

I cant believe you think Tito that fought Wink was no longer elite but Hopkins is.

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at light middle you mean?
He was a top fighter at welterweight who had just lost a close decision. It was a very good win for Tito that had alot of people thinking Tito was back, which is why he was so heavily favored over Winky.
Also, it wasnt just that Winky won, it was that he completly and totally dominated.
Won every round...wasnt even close.

No, I mean middle.