Who has a greater legacy, Joe Calzaghe or Ronald Wright?

[Dynamite Kid]

Ok. So Hopkins was past his prime. Doesn't mean he wasn't elite. Azumah Nelson wasn't in his prime when he dismantled Jeff Fenech.

It does because when your physical cant back up anymore (Reflexes,legs,stamina) you are losing a big part of what made you an elite fighter, thus meaning your can lose decisions to the likes of Taylor.

Sure. But Hopkins adapted well. And two of his best wins came after 40.

Tarver came back from HW which clearly effected him. Tito is a better win the Wink, Tito was coming off his destruction of Joppy and was considered the fav in the fight.

Maybe. I'd like to think a younger Hops would beat Joe too. Doesn't mean Winky is a greater fighter. A younger Hops beats up Winky too.

That does not!! mean Wink is not a great fighter, it means Hopkins is better or more diverse fighter should i say.

He took loads of punishment against Hopkins too? I'm just scratching the surface here.

No he did not LOL. Holfield's fights with Dokes, Cooper, Bowe 1,2,3, Stewart are tough fights, please dont exaggerate, Hopkins vs Tito was a Boxing match for most the way where by Tito would take the odd counter here and there.

Ok...


Tito was not the same fighter he was in his prime. How could he have been? He had fought once in three years and was three years removed from a bad, bad beating.

That does not equate to not elite. I would agree if he was shot or if he reflexes were gone or his stamina could not back him up. Tito lost to Wink because Wink held stylistic problems in the fight that he could not overcome.

You're getting rediculous. Tito isn't just elite because you say so. The onus is on you, bud. And all you can say is that he beat Mayorga at 160 so he's elite?

Im not getting ridiculous at all!

Tito was an elite fighter so if you say he no longer an elite fighter its then upto you to come with tangible reasons/commonsense why you believe he is no longer elite. The onus is clearly on you.


I dont know how many times i have to pose this question before you answer it, but what changes about the stylistic problems Tito faces in the fight when Tito in his so called elite where by he can overcome these issues?

[Dynamite Kid]

BTW, I have to laugh at this:



Really? A fight where he was beaten, battered lost 11 rounds and had his father come rescue him as he suffered the first pro loss and it was "moderately hard?"

I felt like that when you said Hopkins was still elite.

Talk about exaggeration. So it was not a Boxing match for most of the way with Hopkins using his legs and resetting Tito then breaking his rhythm with the odd jab/right hand?

Yes thats exactly what was.

[Dynamite Kid]

Any replies will have to wait as im going to watch Friday Fight Night now, see ya in a bit.

[IMDAZED]

It does because when your physical cant back up anymore (Reflexes,legs,stamina) you are losing a big part of what made you an elite fighter, thus meaning your can lose decisions to the likes of Taylor.

What do you mean his physical can't? Of course it can or he'd be dead. Is it the same as when he was 28? No but it was plenty good against Pavlik.

Tarver came back from HW which clearly effected him. Tito is a better win the Wink, Tito was coming off his destruction of Joppy and was considered the fav in the fight.

Huh? Yeah the Tito win was better than the Tarver win for Hops. What's your point? When did I say it wasn't?? And how does that prove Winky is better than Calzaghe?

That does not!! mean Wink is not a great fighter, it means Hopkins is better or more diverse fighter should i say.

Alrighty then.

No he did not LOL. Holfield's fights with Dokes, Cooper, Bowe 1,2,3, Stewart are tough fights, please dont exaggerate, Hopkins vs Tito was a Boxing match for most the way where by Tito would take the odd counter here and there.

Geezus Christ.

That does not equate to not elite. I would agree if he was shot or if he reflexes were gone or his stamina could not back him up. Tito lost to Wink because Wink held stylistic problems in the fight that he could not overcome

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Alright, man. You win.

Tito was an elite fighter so if you say he no longer an elite fighter its then upto you to come with tangible reasons/commonsense why you believe he is no longer elite. The onus is clearly on you.

Sure. Tito wasn't elite because:

1. He hadn't beaten anyone elite in 3-4 years.

2. He had fought only once in three years.

Now why was he elite again?

I dont know how many times i have to pose this question before you answer it, but what changes about the stylistic problems Tito faces in the fight when Tito in his so called elite where by he can overcome these issues?

Does this question make sense to you?

[IMDAZED]

I felt like that when you said Hopkins was still elite.

Talk about exaggeration. So it was not a Boxing match for most of the way with Hopkins using his legs and resetting Tito then breaking his rhythm with the odd jab/right hand?

Yes thats exactly what was.

Yeah, that's what it was. And Hopkins was landing hard, sapping shots that broke Tito down. Tito took countless punches and punishment in that bout. That's why his father had to step in the ring and THROW IN THE TOWEL. But according to you, "nothing major." What's major to you then?

[sigrab jr]

I'm a Winky Wright fan but it's Joe Calzaghe and is not even close.

[sigrab jr]

Winky fought harder fights although he lost some of them.

Trinidad - Won
Hopkins - Loss
Prime Taylor - Draw
Prime Vargas - Loss
Prime Williams - Loss
Quartey - Won
Prime Mosley - Won
Prime Mosley - Won

Winky Wright fought some tough opponents man.


Calzaghe:

Eubank - Won
Prime Lacy - Won
Prime Kessler - Won
Hopkins - Won
Jones - Won

Come to think of it, I don't know man. Wright's resume looks a lot better. I mean at first I thought Calzaghe hands down because of the 20 title defense at SMW but Winky fought more challenges apparently.

[The Great Shark]

Lacy was over rated, Kessler win lost a lot of stock after he lost to Ward, Hopkins was close and Jones fought with one eye.

Wright has the better resume hands down, EVEN if he lost, he still made the risk and fought them.

[odogg8121]

im not having this argument with yet another guy who discredits calzaghe,its pointless and il end up repeating myself like i have done in the past,cant be arsed too waste my time right now.if you think winky has a better legacy than calzaghe thats fine its your opinion

Joe C didnt fight ne1 in their prime or ne1 that wud risk him losing his "0" lets be real. Winky fought all comers Joe C wud have never got in the ring wit Trinidad period....

[Pugilistic™]

Joe Calzaghe's Achivements
Held world titles in two different weight classes ( 168 and 175)
21 successful defenses of his WBO title.
Cleaned out 168 and unified his division ( held all the major titles at one point) and remained undefeated.

Best wins:
Bernard Hopkins
Mikkel Kessler
Jeff Lacy
Chris Eubank

Other notable wins:
Robin Reid
Sakio Bika
Roy Jones Jr


Ronald "Winky" Wright's Achivements
Held world titles in one weight class (154)
Unfied the 154 division (WBC,IBF,WBA and previously held the WBO title)
Defended his IBF title 5 times
Defended his WBO title 4 times

Best wins
Shane Mosley x2
Felix Trinided
Ike Quartey

Notable losses
UD loss to Paul Williams ( Wright was coming off a two year layoff)
UD loss to Bernard Hopkins (close fight but majority thought Hopkins won, Wright had to move up 10 pounds in weight)
MD loss to Fernardo Vargas ( close fight with majority thinking Wright won)
MD loss to Harry Simon ( close fight which could of went Wright's way)
UD loss to Julio Cesar Vasquez ( Wright was knocked down 5 times, Wright wasn't experienced at this point and would go on to become a better fighter)

Other notable fights
Draw against Jermain Taylor ( close fight with majority thinking Wright won)


I give Calzaghe the edge as far as there legacy's are concerned.