Who has a greater legacy, Joe Calzaghe or Ronald Wright?

[Bigchill79]

I think Winkys 2 wins over Mosely are better than any 2 wins Joe has.

Werent Winky always considered freakishly big @ Light Middle.

[IMDAZED]

Your rewarding Joe for having a less checkered career but the problem there is he has a less checkered career because he was not fighting elite fighters.

Imagine if Shane Mosley had not fought Wink,Forrest and stayed a LW beating the likes of Holiday, Leija etc, how highly would your rank him now? he would still be the same fighter capable of losing to Wink,Forrest but you would be overvaluing him because his career record would not be as checkered by losses. Basically Shane would not be any greater but you would perceive him greater because his record looks tidy with solid wins.


Mosley,Wink,DLH,Holyfield etc have losses because they had more questions asked of their credentials because they fought the elite, Joe did not have to answer those questions, thats why there are so many question marks about his career. We know how good these guys were because we saw the fight the very best.

The only difference between Hamed/Hatton/Calzaghe is that the aforementioned fought elite fighters when they were in their prime whilst Joe did not.

I agree with much of what you're saying. But, that said, I STILL don't believe Ronald "Winky" Wright should be placed higher than Joe. At all. And I've yet to hear an argument FOR him.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I agree with much of what you're saying. But, that said, I STILL don't believe Ronald "Winky" Wright should be placed higher than Joe. At all. And I've yet to hear an argument FOR him.

He's trying his best.

[IMDAZED]

So you dont think Trinidad was elite ?

Quartey you could argue but you have to take into account that Quartey clearly should of got decisions over DLH & Vernon Forrest.

Its all about who the opponent has beaten or perceived to have beaten in Quartey's case. Dont poo poo that either because we all know Whitaker did not draw with Chavez but he still got mad props like he actually did win.

Trinidad wasn't elite when Winky beat him but it was an upset.

[Dynamite Kid]

I agree with much of what you're saying. But, that said, I STILL don't believe Ronald "Winky" Wright should be placed higher than Joe. At all. And I've yet to hear an argument FOR him.

He's trying his best.

I dont need to try. I know Calzaghe was not capable of beating an elite fighter, his solid unspectacular resume is just a smoke screen to how good he actually was.

Its good that he had a solid career rather than of gone for a spectacular career because he was not good enough to enhance his resume beyond that point, thats why he never stepped in the ring with elite fighters in their prime.

[Kris Silver]

I agree with much of what you're saying. But, that said, I STILL don't believe Ronald "Winky" Wright should be placed higher than Joe. At all. And I've yet to hear an argument FOR him.

It's simple.

He likes him.

He dislikes the other guy.

He like a lot of people, has serious sympathy for fighters whom for whatever reason manage to face more 'elite names', and go to war leading to exaggerations of how good they really were despite picking up a good few losses.

Someone mentioning Oscar De La Hoya was spot on.

[Steven Adams]

2 wins over mosely > 2 wins over 40+ year olds.

[Dynamite Kid]

Trinidad wasn't elite when Winky beat him but it was an upset.

I think he was. Tito was well capable of beating other very good LMW imo.

He was not at his peak but he was still elite. Something would have to restrict you from performing to that level not to make elite anymore, like aged reflexes, being shot, Tito was none of that, he was not in bad condition and look tremendous against Mayorga.

A question, does a prime Tito still have stylistic problems with Wink? i think so.

[hammerhiem]

Claiming Winky has a better legacy than Calzaghe is like me say hatton has a better legacy than SSM.

all it would accomplish is making me look ******.

[IMDAZED]

I think he was. Tito was well capable of beating other very good LMW imo.

He was not at his peak but he was still elite. Something would have to restrict you from performing to that level not to make elite anymore, like aged reflexes, being shot, Tito was none of that, he was not in bad condition and look tremendous against Mayorga.

A question, does a prime Tito still have stylistic problems with Wink? i think so.

What proof is there of this? Because he beat Mayorga? That's a stretch.