Who has a greater legacy, Joe Calzaghe or Ronald Wright?

[Dynamite Kid]

It's simple.

He likes him.

He dislikes the other guy.

He like a lot of people, has serious sympathy for fighters whom for whatever reason manage to face more 'elite names', and go to war leading to exaggerations of how good they really were despite picking up a good few losses.

Someone mentioning Oscar De La Hoya was spot on.

Its this simple.

If Calzaghe had beaten elite fighters he would of proven he was as good as you seem to think he was and i would not disagree, however he did not fight elite fighters in their prime.


Its commonsense you can get away with things against B class fighters that you cant against elite fighters. Hatton/Hamed looked spectacular fighting these type of opponents but look what happened to them when they fought elite competition, thats what would of happened to Joe.

[General Zod]

I dont need to try. I know Calzaghe was not capable of beating an elite fighter, his solid unspectacular resume is just a smoke screen to how good he actually was.

Its good that he had a solid career rather than of gone for a spectacular career because he was not good enough to enhance his resume beyond that point, thats why he never stepped in the ring with elite fighters in their prime.

How do you know that, are you psychic?

[IMDAZED]

Its this simple.

If Calzaghe had beaten elite fighters he would of proven he was as good as you seem to think he was and i would not disagree, however he did not fight elite fighters in their prime.


Its commonsense you can get away with things against B class fighters that you cant against elite fighters. Hatton/Hamed looked spectacular fighting these type of opponents but look what happened to them when they fought elite competition, thats what would of happened to Joe.

Yeah but Calzaghe beat (barely) an elite Hopkins. Doesn't that count for more than when Winky beat a Mosley who had fallen from grace at that time (even with his controversial win over Oscar)?

[hammerhiem]

I know Calzaghe was not capable of beating an elite fighter,

You should tell Pavilk he got demolished by a less than Elite B-Hop.

[Easy-E]

It is a close one. Winky spent his entire career fighting tip level opposition and always either winning, getting robbed, or causing lots of problems for his opponents. I will say that Winky's victories over Mosley and W over Trinidad are better accomplishments, that anything Joe has on his resume.
However, being undefeated over the course of a career, and fighting some decent opposition is tough to vote against.

[Dynamite Kid]

What proof is there of this? Because he beat Mayorga? That's a stretch.

You did not address my other points, does Wink give Tito a loss even in his prime?

Tito was not shot, his reflexes had not diminished, he was still able to work at a pace.

Tito was still an elite fighter at the point, when your age is restricting you then you start to come down in levels like how Hopkins age has deteriorated his reflexes, stamina over time.

The fact that Hopkins was an elite fighter and is still capable even at his age of whooping on B class fighters like Pavlik tells you all you need to know about the huge! gulf between elite fighters and B class fighters.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I dont need to try. I know Calzaghe was not capable of beating an elite fighter, his solid unspectacular resume is just a smoke screen to how good he actually was.

Its good that he had a solid career rather than of gone for a spectacular career because he was not good enough to enhance his resume beyond that point, thats why he never stepped in the ring with elite fighters in their prime.

Like Winky when he fought Quartey and Tito?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I think he was. Tito was well capable of beating other very good LMW imo.

He was not at his peak but he was still elite. Something would have to restrict you from performing to that level not to make elite anymore, like aged reflexes, being shot, Tito was none of that, he was not in bad condition and look tremendous against Mayorga.

A question, does a prime Tito still have stylistic problems with Wink? i think so.

If being fat is not in bad condition, I guess you're right.

[AKATheMack]

what has mosley done at 154 where wright beat him???

Im not going on what he had done Im going on what he was capable of. Trinidad accomplished more at 154 than Mosley, but I consider the Mosley wins better. I don't believe you inherit your opponents legacy when you beat them otherwise Joes win over Roy Jones would mean a lot more. I dont think natural 168-175lb Calzaghe looked much better against Hopkins than 154-160lb Wright. I was rooting for Calzaghe in the Hopkins fight, but I wasnt sure he had won it. Hopkins made it ugly and it wasnt Joes fault the fight ******, but thats what Hopkins does best and its effective.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Its this simple.

If Calzaghe had beaten elite fighters he would of proven he was as good as you seem to think he was and i would not disagree, however he did not fight elite fighters in their prime.


Its commonsense you can get away with things against B class fighters that you cant against elite fighters. Hatton/Hamed looked spectacular fighting these type of opponents but look what happened to them when they fought elite competition, thats what would of happened to Joe.

They are all British hence they are all the same fighter. Flawless logic.