Al Bernstein: "Floyd and his minions killed the Pacquiao fight."

[The Big Dunn]

Floyd needs to lay off the bull**** and fight Pacquiao. Everyone in there right mind knows these tests are not necessary!!!! And if Floyd was really trying to "clean up the sport" then he would have started the random tests before the marquez fight. Everyone but his nuthuggers know floyd is full of ****!

Quick question. I'm a floyd fan. I know he's not trying to clean up the sport. But the tests are necessary for every boxing match that takes place in the United States. Would you be opposed to Manny taking random urine and blood tests if a fighter you respected requested them?


The reason I ask is I agree floyd's request is more about hyping the fight by dissing his opponent than it is cleaning up boxing. That said, as for now random PED testing is the gold standard to catch cheaters. That helps Manny, floyd and every fighter!

If Manny takes the test and comes up clean (as he has every other test) then every state commission would likely have to have testing,which benefits all of boxing. Your take?

[V.WEBB]

Which one?



If floyd is the best there is and is so confident beating a one-dimensional midget with a blown-up head? Why did he not accede to a 24 day cutoff date or even a 30 day cutoff date?

It doesn't really make sense at all saying he can beat pac so easily and put out all those roadblocks to not make the fight happen.

Just answer that one because if i'm the best out there and so confident on beating everyone, i would give them peds just to make it competitive and not a snorer fight...which he is very known of.

Why should he have done that? Manny suggested the 24 days cut off, that was not in Mayweather's proposal that Manny agreed to. Add to the FACT that Manny said that he would only do blood test before the tour, one during training and after the fight(I believe). Manny tried to construct WHEN he would take a random test, why do ya'll keep overlooking that?

Floyd needs to lay off the bull**** and fight Pacquiao. Everyone in there right mind knows these tests are not necessary!!!! And if Floyd was really trying to "clean up the sport" then he would have started the random tests before the marquez fight. Everyone but his nuthuggers know floyd is full of ****!

Everyone in their mind knows that he is not trying to clean up the sport. He wants his fight to be "cleaned up". What's wrong with that?

[Da Hammer]

Quick question. I'm a floyd fan. I know he's not trying to clean up the sport. But the tests are necessary for every boxing match that takes place in the United States. Would you be opposed to Manny taking random urine and blood tests if a fighter you respected requested them?


The reason I ask is I agree floyd's request is more about hyping the fight by dissing his opponent than it is cleaning up boxing. That said, as for now random PED testing is the gold standard to catch cheaters. That helps Manny, floyd and every fighter!

If Manny takes the test and comes up clean (as he has every other test) then every state commission would likely have to have testing,which benefits all of boxing. Your take?

my opininon is that the commissions are the ones to make the rules. if they were to decide that their testing programs are no longer good enough and they want to include random blood testing, then by all means good for them!!! I would support it 100 %! But at this point they haven't decided that and for floyd to act like he is bigger than the sport just to get into his opponent's head, well it seems like a bunch of bull****! If Blood testing would become mandatory then Pac would have to man up because thats what the sport has decided. But until then Pac doesn't have to and shouldn't agree to floyd's demands.

[The Big Dunn]

my opininon is that the commissions are the ones to make the rules. if they were to decide that their testing programs are no longer good enough and they want to include random blood testing, then by all means good for them!!! I would support it 100 %! But at this point they haven't decided that and for floyd to act like he is bigger than the sport just to get into his opponent's head, well it seems like a bunch of bull****! If Blood testing would become mandatory then Pac would have to man up because thats what the sport has decided. But until then Pac doesn't have to and shouldn't agree to floyd's demands.

OK. But then the same could be said for floyd about pacs demands. Floyd could have easily said no to glove size, $10 mil per pound, ring size etc.


I don't know what you mean by "bigger than the sport". By hyping the Shane and (potential) Manny fights he is bringing boxing back to the level it was when tyson and ODH were big draws. Like him or not, Floyd is the most recognizable name in boxing right now. Whether you want to see him win or get his a$$ kicked people pay to see him.


Pac "doesn't have to agree" to his demands. But then no one should agree to pacs demands. Besides, the blood testing is a demand that actually makes the sport safer. Thats why I don't see it as that big a deal. If the 2 most recognizable boxers in the world take random tests there is no excuse for anyone else not to.

[flour]

my opininon is that the commissions are the ones to make the rules. if they were to decide that their testing programs are no longer good enough and they want to include random blood testing, then by all means good for them!!! I would support it 100 %! But at this point they haven't decided that and for floyd to act like he is bigger than the sport just to get into his opponent's head, well it seems like a bunch of bull****! If Blood testing would become mandatory then Pac would have to man up because thats what the sport has decided. But until then Pac doesn't have to and shouldn't agree to floyd's demands.

i agree with everything you said i dont care about floyd thinking hes bigger than the sport though, if floyd legitimately wants additional testing to clean up the sport and i know he isnt sincere as he is claiming on shane-floyd 24/7 then he should take it to the commision, he shouldnt have smeared pac the way he has or any fighter for that matter.. shame on them it serves as nothing but a big blow to the face of boxing, we all know whenever boxing takes a step forward, it takes one step back and sufffers a black eye but i believe no1 saw this coming, especially the pac-ped fiasco, no1 in their right mind even thought pac was on peds b4 may sr. run his mouth and man they think that makes pcquiao look bad? it makes most of boxing look bad in general, casual fans slowly turn away and more and more look towards MMA.. u dont hear this type of **** in MMA, its not THIS UGLY


the may's and *****s in their quest to make may look good.. horribly since they claim may likes to look bad and is actually a villain type only serves to turn off most boxing enthusiast and thats the sad truth


whos gonna care about floyd anyways when boxing in itself is supposedly some drug infested sport even when the athletes passed acceptable test and there are some drugs out there that can go undetected.. no casual boxing fan would...

SHAME ON *****S>>

[V.WEBB]

it is irrelevant if they r both tested, each camp look out for their own fighters and if they feel it weakens them.. hey it does , with pac ther we have evidence for this not some baseless accusation like the mayweathers have when it comes to asking for ADDITIONAL TEST out of what is acceptable and offered so.... they will look for ways not to get weakened.. its that simple my friend

I'm not buying that. How did he get a tube of blood taken before fighting Clottey ,then the VERY next day he was training like his normal self and going to WORK on sparring partners, if giving blood weakens him? Come on man.

no its not but i believe you asked why pac has agreed to the testing, more so not because of the testing itself but his motive behind it.. and i gave u a plausible answer with facts ..

meh...

why else would you revert back to claims of unlimited testing when you know it has failed already even when there's a cut-off date and THEN CLAIM FOR A 60-40 share after you agreed to a 50-50 split that also didnt work??? gawd daaayum.. hehe, i find no reasoning behind this unless youre either completely ****** and dont want the fight to happen or you are fearing a fighter and making pre-emptive moves to derail the fight just in case the negotiation starts up again?? didnt you just say a 50-50 is what should happen like a paragraph above?? hehe mayweather doesnt agree with your opinions.. can u say cluck cluck?

I don't care if Mayweather agrees with my opinions or not. If Floyd beats Shane and does numbers out of this roof (which I think BOTH will happen), he will demand 60-40 AND OSDT up until the night of the fight. I think it would have been easier to make the fight before. But by him fighting and beating Shane and being successful on PPV, he will have ALOT more leverage going into negotiations with Manny again....

no arum didnt lie, he was in fact painfully truthful, he said there was the notion of may mumbling about a 14 day cut off date OUTSIDE OF THE ARBITRATION and arum wouldnt entertain it so whats he lying about? may didnt propose the 14 day cut-off date during arbritation, that's a fact and they( team pac)wanted the the 24, we can speculate all we want on what would happen if they offerred the 14 days and why pac would refuse and they would but that would be because they know may is using 14 days as a way to look like he wants the fight when in reality he doesnt and hed loo for other venues to duck pac, again pac has made his moves and try to make it work, may hasnt.. which is exactly why mays didnt offer the 14 day cut off date during arbitration..

LOL, Arum didn't lie?

youre comparing apples to oranges, the test may is asking for is optional, all of the test that have been put forth and done by pac is obligatory, pac is weakened thats a fact, i can provide you with the links where he has made claims taking blood from him made him have a war with morales in their first fight instead of the pummelling he gave to him 7 months later
so why would pac bring it onto himself and weakened him when he already knows the test that is required of him to have a fight weakened him.. like physical exams to check his health by bloodtesting him done 3 days b4 morales-pac 1. didnt u just say they have enough to deal with sparring with their partners and they get nose bleed ?

1) He can't be too weaken by the blood test because after getting blood drawn 19 days before fighting Clottey, he tore sparring partners up the next day.

2) He has lost more blood in his epic wars than he would have giving blood for these tests.

3) No credit to Morales for that fight huh?...

add that to the fact that this IS a random drug test which means there's no fixed amount of times they can take your blood as well as when.. they r gonna put themselves in murky waters
why would u do that to yourself as a fighter.. especially when youre gonna fight the self-profess greatest fighter of all time..
pac relies on his endurance and power and common sense, your blood is what carries your oxygen, you take that away from you and you decrease your level of oxygen carrying capacity by however amount and your oxygen is everything, look at horses when a cheater of another horse plugs his nose and he cant breathe.. what happens? he cant win the kentucky derby.. i know this for a fact, the same people that are testing mayweather and shane r the same people who test hasafa powell during the 2008 olympic games and hasafa said they took blood from him at least 3 times in a span of one week so were talking 9-12 tubes of blood.. that's roughly 40 ml of blood or 1% of your whole blood volume.. we can then say hasafa's blood carrying capacity was reduced by 1% logically, to fight the best fighter you gotta be on top of your game.. fullstop.. arent u a boxing fan? or u some *****?

No offense, but its a hard to read your big globs of text. Use punctuation please. That is why it takes so long for me to respond. Anyways, what are you talking about?

whos to say they wont do that every other week? no1 can ..why put yourself in this situation? there's really nothing 1 can do but find himself every advantage to prepare when hes gonna fight and pac has done that all the while agreeing to unlimited urine test which can test most ALL PEDS except HGH and a cut-off date for the blood..

Why agree, then not man up to your agreement?

doesnt sound to me like hes on anything, he tried to entertain the fight and give the fans what they want to the extend it doesn't compromise his ability in the ring and thats that

may is a chicken.. END THREAD..

but i doubt you *****s will end the thread

I don't think he is on anything either. But he sure as heck hurt himself with all of the conflicting things he said.

[V.WEBB]

my opininon is that the commissions are the ones to make the rules. if they were to decide that their testing programs are no longer good enough and they want to include random blood testing, then by all means good for them!!! I would support it 100 %! But at this point they haven't decided that and for floyd to act like he is bigger than the sport just to get into his opponent's head, well it seems like a bunch of bull****! If Blood testing would become mandatory then Pac would have to man up because thats what the sport has decided. But until then Pac doesn't have to and shouldn't agree to floyd's demands.

Be honest, did you feel that way when Manny agreed to do the OSDT?

[V.WEBB]

i agree with everything you said i dont care about floyd thinking hes bigger than the sport though, if floyd legitimately wants additional testing to clean up the sport and i know he isnt sincere as he is claiming on shane-floyd 24/7 then he should take it to the commision, he shouldnt have smeared pac the way he has or any fighter for that matter.. shame on them it serves as nothing but a big blow to the face of boxing, we all know whenever boxing takes a step forward, it takes one step back and sufffers a black eye but i believe no1 saw this coming, especially the pac-ped fiasco, no1 in their right mind even thought pac was on peds b4 may sr. run his mouth and man they think that makes pcquiao look bad? it makes most of boxing look bad in general, casual fans slowly turn away and more and more look towards MMA.. u dont hear this type of **** in MMA, its not THIS UGLY


the may's and *****s in their quest to make may look good.. horribly since they claim may likes to look bad and is actually a villain type only serves to turn off most boxing enthusiast and thats the sad truth


whos gonna care about floyd anyways when boxing in itself is supposedly some drug infested sport even when the athletes passed acceptable test and there are some drugs out there that can go undetected.. no casual boxing fan would...

SHAME ON *****S>>

How do you feel about Manny GOING OVER THE COMMISSION'S head and imposing his OWN weight penalty against his opponents?

[The Big Dunn]

i agree with everything you said i dont care about floyd thinking hes bigger than the sport though, if floyd legitimately wants additional testing to clean up the sport and i know he isnt sincere as he is claiming on shane-floyd 24/7 then he should take it to the commision, he shouldnt have smeared pac the way he has or any fighter for that matter.. shame on them it serves as nothing but a big blow to the face of boxing, we all know whenever boxing takes a step forward, it takes one step back and sufffers a black eye but i believe no1 saw this coming, especially the pac-ped fiasco, no1 in their right mind even thought pac was on peds b4 may sr. run his mouth and man they think that makes pcquiao look bad? it makes most of boxing look bad in general, casual fans slowly turn away and more and more look towards MMA.. u dont hear this type of **** in MMA, its not THIS UGLY


the may's and *****s in their quest to make may look good.. horribly since they claim may likes to look bad and is actually a villain type only serves to turn off most boxing enthusiast and thats the sad truth


whos gonna care about floyd anyways when boxing in itself is supposedly some drug infested sport even when the athletes passed acceptable test and there are some drugs out there that can go undetected.. no casual boxing fan would...

SHAME ON *****S>>

Dude relax and think! Floyds request for PED testing and Manny's (Bob's) refusal have made this fight the hottest thing going. Its kept boxing in the spotlight. Its making the fight bigger. It made pac clottey and is making floyd shane bigger.

Yes pure boxing enthusiasts get pissed. But we are buying the fight anyway. Its the non purists we need to buy the pay per view.

Jusy one more thing, I don't think pac is juicing. But don't blame floyd or his dad. blame bob arum for the bull**** way he kept coming up with excuses. Then he had manny file that dumb a$$ lawsuit. the only time manny spoke he said he'd take the test. only time freddy roach spoke he said manny would take the tests.

Bob has come up with all the excuses because he knows that its free publicity and it makes the fight bigger. His bull**** is tarnishing manny's rep.

[The Big Dunn]

How do you feel about Manny GOING OVER THE COMMISSION'S head and imposing his OWN weight penalty against his opponents?

How do you feel about Manny GOING OVER THE COMMISSION'S head and imposing his OWN weight penalty against his opponents?

Good point!!!!