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30 days on and 30 days off is not irrelevant. In the beginning of training camp, Pacquiao simply doesn't take steroids. (if this is knowingly or not doesn't matter). Then after the what? 5 days? Pacquiao begins his steroid cycle and has nothing to worry about.
Yes it is the day of the fight. I never said Pacquiao should take the test the day of the fight(right before the fight) in the first place. Nor did I think it was a good idea. If he feels weak after getting his blood drawn, then have the blood test further out. Hell, Roach said Pacquiao feels weak for about 4-5 days. 14 days is hell of a lot of time to feel normal again.
It only takes as long as the results to show up. So, you get your blood drawn, wait for the test results. And you have your answer.
I don't know if it will or not. In my opinion, I believe that the steroids can be detected in the blood immediately after the fight.
If cycled properly, yes it can. Or the steroid can at least drop in amount by the time of the fight, to where it can be over looked as simply Manny's testosterone level during acts of violence.
Either way. My point is....
All Manny had to do was accept the fight. Then instead of talking about Manny being a roid user. We would be talking about how Mayweather is trying to get out of the fight.
I have been saying this from the start. Mayweather took a big chance and it worked. If it failed, Mayweather would look like he is trying to get out of fighting with Manny.
So in reality. All biased fandom aside. Manny is the reason why the fight isn't happening.Comment
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Floyd does xylocaine? I never heard that before.
Anyways. I'm not a *****. I'm not a delusional fan of any boxer. Unlike you(your more than likely a *******). My logic will never be swayed just because I like a boxer. Hell, I just posted PWill would beat Floyd if they faught. You might want to fix your ***** radar.
Hell I dont even like any of those match ups. I want Floyd to fight someone worth it. Go fight a champion, Vyacheslav Senchenko is available. He is also undefeated. It would be a hell of alot more to watch than the people you named.Comment
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I've been pretty quiet about this stuff for the most part.
First off, this article is well-written and shows how classy Al Bernstein can be. It is a must read for boxing fans. It's written to express his point of view without being disrespectul to any one side.
Ok...so for my two cents.
When additional talks about blood testing came from tem mayweather and were initially refuted by team pacquiao I thought it was the perfect ploy on the part of team mayweather. Let's face it, floyd can get under your skin. He does it to the general public for his gain and he does it to his oppenents even more so for his advantage. The steroid angle was beautifully orchestrated to get under pacquiao's skin.
And that's exactly what it did. The problem was that it worked a little too well.
It wasn't Pacquiao who brought blood testing to the table, it was Mayweather. And I don't recall being told anything about "wanting a level playfield" initially as the reasoning for the blood testing. Rather, it was innuendos of steroid use. It's one thing for anyone to say, "I want an even playfield for this big event and I propose blood testing" vs. "I think the guy has something, I propose blood testing for a level playing field." Those two scenarios are not the same.
Pacquiao's mistake...agreeing to ever take even one blood test. Had his team stood firm against anything silly like that from the get go it would not have blown out of proportion.
There would be no need to debate why pacquiao just doesn't take the test. There would be no reason to debate as to why mayweather should suddenly be so adamant about the tests being taken. There would not be 1,000,001 PED facts or PED experts on these boards had it not been an issue to begin with and had Pacquiao not ever entertained the notion of blood testing. Arum was right when he said that he never, ever should have agreed to anything of the sort.
That was pacquiao's mistake. And both camps made their share of mistakes and goof ups in negotiations from that point forward.
There was just too much pride on the table for such an accusation. That was team Mayweather's mistake. Although it was a beautiful angle, nobody could put their pride aside and just let it pass.
THere was too much pride to allow Pacquiao to just say "No way. I'm not fighting if you ask for more than what has ever been asked before." Too much pride for Mayweather to say, "I was just f_uckin' around, don't take it so personal. How about we do this, then?"
Instead it snowballed and became the fiasco that it is today.
And we all added our handfuls of snow to the rolling ball.
With the fight standing right in front of these camps, it was both of them that pulled the trigger and fired the bullets, but it was mayweather's camp that pulled out the gun in the first place.Last edited by 1nonlymre; 01-13-2010, 04:46 PM.Comment
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Team Pacquiao "SHOULD" be held in high regard for their successful shut down of Mayweather and Associates scheming ways. Team Pacquiao has shown the Boxing World that "Bullies" of this sport will not be tolerated nor dignified in any way. This has sent a clear message to 'Lil Floyd that he does not dictate boxing policy nor is he above the commission in charge of boxing. JAT30 days on and 30 days off is not irrelevant. In the beginning of training camp, Pacquiao simply doesn't take steroids. (if this is knowingly or not doesn't matter). Then after the what? 5 days? Pacquiao begins his steroid cycle and has nothing to worry about.
Yes it is the day of the fight. I never said Pacquiao should take the test the day of the fight(right before the fight) in the first place. Nor did I think it was a good idea. If he feels weak after getting his blood drawn, then have the blood test further out. Hell, Roach said Pacquiao feels weak for about 4-5 days. 14 days is hell of a lot of time to feel normal again.
It only takes as long as the results to show up. So, you get your blood drawn, wait for the test results. And you have your answer.
I don't know if it will or not. In my opinion, I believe that the steroids can be detected in the blood immediately after the fight.
If cycled properly, yes it can. Or the steroid can at least drop in amount by the time of the fight, to where it can be over looked as simply Manny's testosterone level during acts of violence.
Either way. My point is....
All Manny had to do was accept the fight. Then instead of talking about Manny being a roid user. We would be talking about how Mayweather is trying to get out of the fight.
I have been saying this from the start. Mayweather took a big chance and it worked. If it failed, Mayweather would look like he is trying to get out of fighting with Manny.
So in reality. All biased fandom aside. Manny is the reason why the fight isn't happening.
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lol. So basically, your trying to disregard the reality that Pacquiao is to blame for trashing the fight?
Instead of simply saying, "yes, Pacquiao is at fault for the fight not happening". You try to flip the script and say Pacquiao should be commended for trashing the fight, although you want to say it's Mayweather's fault? Wow...
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Uhh, Manny did accept the fight, so what are you talking about. Why don't you answer these questions honestly and without bias.Originally posted by Flicker
1. First of all, who was the one that did not accept the standard Nevada commission drug test, Floyd did.
2. Second, who was the one that demanded for the blood test, Floyd did.
3. Third, who was the one who couldn't or wouldn't accept the 30 or 24 days cut off date, Floyd did.
So who else would you blame for this.Comment
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