Al Bernstein: "Floyd and his minions killed the Pacquiao fight."

[Pacquiao'd]

i think manny really wanted the fight. but when oscar and floyd started making comments about how "they doubt manny being clean" in the middle of the negotiations, it rubbed him the wrong way.

he was willing to take the far stricter test as long as there is some sort of compromise. it has little to do about the cut off date at all. its about not being somebody's *****.

both sides are to blame why this fight didn't happen.

manny being an egotistical primadonna and floyd being a punk ass *****.

everything you have typed is nothingmore than an EXCUSE

[Ryannn]

Nope sorry, won't go along with that BS. Manny had no record of testing positive, there was no precedence for it.

The fact that Floyd brought it up and tried to bully and manipulate the situation means all the blame is on him.

I understand people want to see the fight, and I do to but I wouldn't allow anyone to push me around or slander me.

Mayweather does this and 99% of the time the other side gives in because he's the bigger name. In this case, Manny made it clear he doesn't need Mayweather and he is 100% right.

don't get me wrong. i think manny has every right to tell floyd to go fuck himself.

but the reason why he refused is because of his ego. something that he kinda developed.

remember the hatton negotiations? he wouldn't accept 50-50 cause he truly believed that he deserves the bigger share. he ended with 48-52 or something like it. that wasn't about the money. its about his ego/pride whatever you choose to call it.

this fight could have happened if not for his ego

anyways, this **** is old.

[V.WEBB]

why else but to appease mayweather in order for the mays to agree and therefore please the fans by giving them what they want as well as get some sweet mooolahsm they r willing to do that in the extend it doesnt conflict with pac's preparation for the fight
there were a couple of points in the contract to be agreed upon besides the drug testing itself and it attest to my reasoning

You act as if Manny would be the only one tested, which was NEVER the case and it isn't the case now. Manny had tubes of blood taken from him 19 DAYS before his fight with Clottey and the VERY next day he was knocking sparring partners out,

1.may wanted the 15k seating mgm arena in nevada while the owner of the dallas cowboys stadium entertained arum to use the 50k seating stadium,
the mays wouldnt agree to arum and stuck with the 15k therefore potentially turning down millions that can be made but pac agreed to it nonetheless

This has nothing to do with the testing.

2. Pac's right to a higher share over floyd- every contract shared is not fixed, they r negotiated having that said, during the time of the negotiation pac and may just got off beating cotto and marquez with pac pulling in 1.2 million ppvs in contrast to mays 1 million ppvs, in principle, the higher earner deserves to have the higher share and pac initially sought his claim for a 60-40 in december of 2009 only to agree to may's 50-50 split.. again turning down millions if only to give the fans what they want..

I don't tend to get into the numbers aspect of it concerning contracts. But if you think that since Pac outsold May in ONE fight would determine that he should have gotten the bigger share then I have some land in the Gulf Coast that I want to sell you. They BOTH agreed to the 50/50 because that is what they should have done. That was supposed to be the "hurdle" with the negotiations but THEY (not just Manny) worked that out smoothly.

( AS OF MARCH 2010, may now wants 60-40 and unlimited bloodtesting up until the fight.ill remind u during that timeline he has not fought anyone after marquez.. nothing has changed for him except.. his feared probably increased after pac owned clottey.. so what does that say about may? can u say chicken?)

Fear increased after watching the Clottey fight......

now with the additional testing AFTER THE LAWSUIT ATTEMPT, there was not much agreeing to, if i recall, mayweather's camp got pretty quiet since pac threatened them from december to january, pac decided to meet may halfway with a 24 days cut off date but mayweather refused, it would only be after the final negotiation attempts by both parties with arbitrators( referrees) that mayweather cried to the media he offerred 14 days, i read some report team may texted team pac after the negotiation failed for 14 days and pac said "F HIM"

You do realize that Arum was found to be lying about what really happened during the mediation, right?

and you cant blame pac, he has tried to make it work but every mayweather move was inclining toward ducking him, may gave every reason for pac to walk away, may ducked him that way

He tried to make it work so much that he agreed, then backpedaled then said that he is too weakened and need 24 days for the cut off. But gets tubes of blood taken 19 days before his fight with Clottey, the next day he is destroying sparring partners and then throws almost 1200 punches over 12 rounds?

[Ryannn]

everything you have typed is nothingmore than an EXCUSE

there is more evidence of floyd and ellerbe being ****sexual lovers than manny being on ped's.

fact.

[Ryannn]

The thing is, he tried to DICTATE WHEN he would take the RANDOM tests. And he made up a bunch of lies in the process. I mean, we just can't overlook that. Some call Floyd a punk for asking for additional tests, but fighters have done it before. Tyson asked Evander, does that make Mike a punk? Or what about Arthur Abraham..its in his contracts, is he a punk?

something that is NOT REQUIRED OF HIM. remember that.

and floyd is a punk for asking for this test. there is absolutely no reason for him to suspect manny is on anything. and manny has every right to refuse the test

if anything else, its some sort of back handed compliment to pac. it shows that he thinks manny is so amazing of an athlete he must be cheating.

he agreed to far stricter test that is required of him. the unlimited urine and blood tests until his proposed cut off would be as effective as having it with a 14 day cut off.

say in the nba finals, the cavs asked the lakers to take a strenous testing not required by their commision, and the lakers told them that they can go **** themselves.

the cavs in that case are being a punk ass *****.

[V.WEBB]

something that is NOT REQUIRED OF HIM. remember that.

So, why did Evander agree to take the tests when he asked by Tyson?

and floyd is a punk for asking for this test. there is absolutely no reason for him to suspect manny is on anything. and manny has every right to refuse the test

But he didn't just refuse dude, HE AGREED to take...THEN backtracked, THEN lied, THEN tried to state WHEN he would take a RANDOM test. That's a DISTINCT difference than just flat out not agreeing to take the testing.

if anything else, its some sort of back handed compliment to pac. it shows that he thinks manny is so amazing of an athlete he must be cheating.

Well, Manny, take the tests (that you AGREED to take) and then beat him up. You clear your name AND knockout of the guy that asked you for the additional testing.

he agreed to far stricter test that is required of him. the unlimited urine and blood tests until his proposed cut off would be as effective as having it with a 14 day cut off.

You are fine with Manny dictating WHEN he would take a RANDOM test?

say in the nba finals, the cavs asked the lakers to take a strenous testing not required by their commision, and the lakers told them that they can go **** themselves.

the cavs in that case are being a punk ass *****.

With this stance you would HAVE to agree that Tyson was scared of Evander and Tyson was a punk because he didn't ask anyone else for a test before Evander (not to my knowledge anyway).

[tibbar]

The thing is, he tried to DICTATE WHEN he would take the RANDOM tests. And he made up a bunch of lies in the process. I mean, we just can't overlook that. Some call Floyd a punk for asking for additional tests, but fighters have done it before. Tyson asked Evander, does that make Mike a punk? Or what about Arthur Abraham..its in his contracts, is he a punk?

nope, the real thing is floyd tried to dictate what manny should do when the truth is it is unnecessary (blood test) and extraordinary. manny tried to go out of his way to accomodate but floyds team doesnt want to negotiate a compromise. so technically floyd and his team blew out the fight.

[flour]

You act as if Manny would be the only one tested, which was NEVER the case and it isn't the case now. Manny had tubes of blood taken from him 19 DAYS before his fight with Clottey and the VERY next day he was knocking sparring partners out,

it is irrelevant if they r both tested, each camp look out for their own fighters if they feel it weakens him and it does we have evidence for this not some baseless accusation like the mayweathers have and they will look for ways not to get weakened.. its that simple my friend

This has nothing to do with the testing.

no its not but i believe you asked why pac has agreed to the testing, more so not because of the testing itself but his motive behind it.. and i gave u a plausible answer with facts ..

I don't tend to get into the numbers aspect of it concerning contracts. But if you think that since Pac outsold May in ONE fight would determine that he should have gotten the bigger share then I have some land in the Gulf Coast that I want to sell you. They BOTH agreed to the 50/50 because that is what they should have done. That was supposed to be the "hurdle" with the negotiations but THEY (not just Manny) worked that out smoothly.

then that's your own opinion

Fear increased after watching the Clottey fight......

why else would you revert back to claims of unlimited testing when you know it has failed already even when there's a cut-off date and THEN CLAIM FOR A 60-40 share.. hehe, i find no reasoning behind this unless youre either completely ****** and dont want the fight to happen or you are fearing a fighter and making pre-emptive moves to derail the fight just in case the negotiation starts up again?? didnt you just say a 50-50 is what should happen like a paragraph above?? hehe mayweather doesnt agree with your opinions.. can u say cluck cluck?





[QUOTE=COACH-WEBB;8157688]You do realize that Arum was found to be lying about what really happened during the mediation, right?[QUOTE=COACH-WEBB;8157688]


no arum didnt lie, he was in fact painfully truthful, he said there was the notion of may mumbling about a 14 day cut off date OUTSIDE OF THE ARBITRATION and arum wouldnt entertain it so whats he lying about? may didnt propose the 14 day cut-off date during arbritation, that's a fact and they( team pac)wanted the the 24, we can speculate all we want on what would happen if they offerred the 14 days and why pac would refuse and they would but that would be because they know may is using 14 days as a way to look like he wants the fight when in reality he doesnt and hed loo for other venues to duck pac, again pac has made his moves and try to make it work, may hasnt.. which is exactly why mays didnt offer the 14 day cut off date during arbitration..

He tried to make it work so much that he agreed, then backpedaled then said that he is too weakened and need 24 days for the cut off. But gets tubes of blood taken 19 days before his fight with Clottey, the next day he is destroying sparring partners and then throws almost 1200 punches over 12 rounds?

youre comparing apples to oranges, the test may is asking for is optional, all of the test that have been put forth and done by pac is obligatory, pac is weakened thats a fact, i can provide you with the links where he has made claims taking blood from him made him have a war with morales in their first fight instead of the pummelling he gave to him 7 months later
so why would pac bring it onto himself and weakened him when he already knows the test that is required of him to have a fight weakened him.. like physical exams to check his health by bloodtesting him done 3 days b4 morales-pac 1. didnt u just say they have enough to deal with sparring with their partners and they get nose bleed ?

add that to the fact that this IS a random drug test which means there's no fixed amount of times they can take your blood as well as when.. they r gonna put themselves in murky waters
why would u do that to yourself as a fighter.. especially when youre gonna fight the self-profess greatest fighter of all time..
pac relies on his endurance and power and common sense, your blood is what carries your oxygen, you take that away from you and you decrease your level of oxygen carrying capacity by however amount and your oxygen is everything, look at horses when a cheater of another horse plugs his nose and he cant breathe.. what happens? he cant win the kentucky derby.. i know this for a fact, the same people that are testing mayweather and shane r the same people who test hasafa powell during the 2008 olympic games and hasafa said they took blood from him at least 3 times in a span of one week so were talking 9-12 tubes of blood.. that's roughly 40 ml of blood or 1% of your whole blood volume.. we can then say hasafa's blood carrying capacity was reduced by 1% logically, to fight the best fighter you gotta be on top of your game.. fullstop.. arent u a boxing fan? or u some *****?

whos to say they wont do that every other week? no1 can ..why put yourself in this situation? there's really nothing 1 can do but find himself every advantage to prepare when hes gonna fight and pac has done that all the while agreeing to unlimited urine test which can test most ALL PEDS except HGH and a cut-off date for the blood..

doesnt sound to me like hes on anything, he tried to entertain the fight and give the fans what they want to the extend it doesn't compromise his ability in the ring and thats that

[Ryannn]

So, why did Evander agree to take the tests when he asked by Tyson?



But he didn't just refuse dude, HE AGREED to take...THEN backtracked, THEN lied, THEN tried to state WHEN he would take a RANDOM test. That's a DISTINCT difference than just flat out not agreeing to take the testing.



Well, Manny, take the tests (that you AGREED to take) and then beat him up. You clear your name AND knockout of the guy that asked you for the additional testing.



You are fine with Manny dictating WHEN he would take a RANDOM test?



With this stance you would HAVE to agree that Tyson was scared of Evander and Tyson was a punk because he didn't ask anyone else for a test before Evander (not to my knowledge anyway).

evander agreed, manny didn't. that makes the two case different. and evander has the right to tell tyson to go **** himself. but he didn't cause of the money.

man, this **** is old. there is absolutely nothing you present that would convince me that floyd wasn't being a ***** for asking for additional testing.

[pistol whip]

everything you have typed is nothingmore than an EXCUSE

And Floyd magically pulling the whole PED thing out of his ass the second he's about to fight Pacman isn't an ......EXCUSE?