Al Bernstein: "Floyd and his minions killed the Pacquiao fight."

[PAKYO]

Floyd is a ***** asking for an extra-ordinary test and then negotiate on it.

If i was so confident on beating a one-dimensional midget, i would even feed him all the peds i can find just to make the fight competitive.

Therefore, floyd is really scared even his dad is scared for him.

[V.WEBB]

evander agreed, manny didn't. that makes the two case different. and evander has the right to tell tyson to go **** himself. but he didn't cause of the money.

man, this **** is old. there is absolutely nothing you present that would convince me that floyd wasn't being a ***** for asking for additional testing.

Because of the money? Evander said he did it because he knew if he didn't take it would be like an admission of guilt. Also he agreed that the results would not be unveiled until after the fight was over.

I can only imagine what you call Manny for agreeing, then telling a bunch of lies and contradicting himself as to why he doesn't want to do it.

[V.WEBB]

[QUOTE=flour;8157882][QUOTE=COACH-WEBB;8157688]You act as if Manny would be the only one tested, which was NEVER the case and it isn't the case now. Manny had tubes of blood taken from him 19 DAYS before his fight with Clottey and the VERY next day he was knocking sparring partners out, [QUOTE]

it is irrelevant if they r both tested, each camp look out for their own fighters if they feel it weakens him and it does we have evidence for this not some baseless accusation like the mayweathers have and they will look for ways not to get weakened.. its that simple my friend

[QUOTE=COACH-WEBB;8157688]This has nothing to do with the testing. [QUOTE=COACH-WEBB;8157688]

no its not but i believe you asked why pac has agreed to the testing, more so not because of the testing itself but his motive behind it.. and i gave u a plausible answer with facts ..

[QUOTE=COACH-WEBB;8157688]I don't tend to get into the numbers aspect of it concerning contracts. But if you think that since Pac outsold May in ONE fight would determine that he should have gotten the bigger share then I have some land in the Gulf Coast that I want to sell you. They BOTH agreed to the 50/50 because that is what they should have done. That was supposed to be the "hurdle" with the negotiations but THEY (not just Manny) worked that out smoothly. [QUOTE=COACH-WEBB;8157688]


then that's your own opinion


[QUOTE=COACH-WEBB;8157688]Fear increased after watching the Clottey fight......[QUOTE=COACH-WEBB;8157688]

why else would you revert back to claims of unlimited testing when you know it has failed already even when there's a cut-off date and THEN CLAIM FOR A 60-40 share.. hehe, i find no reasoning behind this unless youre either completely ****** and dont want the fight to happen or you are fearing a fighter and making pre-emptive moves to derail the fight just in case the negotiation starts up again?? didnt you just say a 50-50 is what should happen like a paragraph above?? hehe mayweather doesnt agree with your opinions.. can u say cluck cluck?





[QUOTE=COACH-WEBB;8157688]You do realize that Arum was found to be lying about what really happened during the mediation, right?[QUOTE=COACH-WEBB;8157688]


no arum didnt lie, he was in fact painfully truthful, he said there was the notion of may mumbling about a 14 day cut off date OUTSIDE OF THE ARBITRATION and arum wouldnt entertain it so whats he lying about? may didnt propose the 14 day cut-off date during arbritation, that's a fact and they( team pac)wanted the the 24, we can speculate all we want on what would happen if they offerred the 14 days and why pac would refuse and they would but that would be because they know may is using 14 days as a way to look like he wants the fight when in reality he doesnt and hed loo for other venues to duck pac, again pac has made his moves and try to make it work, may hasnt.. which is exactly why mays didnt offer the 14 day cut off date during arbitration..


[QUOTE=COACH-WEBB;8157688]He tried to make it work so much that he agreed, then backpedaled then said that he is too weakened and need 24 days for the cut off. But gets tubes of blood taken 19 days before his fight with Clottey, the next day he is destroying sparring partners and then throws almost 1200 punches over 12 rounds?

youre comparing apples to oranges, the test may is asking for is optional, all of the test that have been put forth and done by pac is obligatory, pac is weakened thats a fact, i can provide you with the links where he has made claims taking blood from him made him have a war with morales in their first fight instead of the pummelling he gave to him 7 months later
so why would pac bring it onto himself and weakened him when he already knows the test that is required of him to have a fight weakened him.. like physical exams to check his health by bloodtesting him done 3 days b4 morales-pac 1. didnt u just say they have enough to deal with sparring with their partners and they get nose bleed ?

add that to the fact that this IS a random drug test which means there's no fixed amount of times they can take your blood as well as when.. they r gonna put themselves in murky waters
why would u do that to yourself as a fighter.. especially when youre gonna fight the self-profess greatest fighter of all time..
pac relies on his endurance and power and common sense, your blood is what carries your oxygen, you take that away from you and you decrease your level of oxygen carrying capacity by however amount and your oxygen is everything, look at horses when a cheater of another horse plugs his nose and he cant breathe.. what happens? he cant win the kentucky derby.. i know this for a fact, the same people that are testing mayweather and shane r the same people who test hasafa powell during the 2008 olympic games and hasafa said they took blood from him at least 3 times in a span of one week so were talking 9-12 tubes of blood.. that's roughly 40 ml of blood or 1% of your whole blood volume.. we can then say hasafa's blood carrying capacity was reduced by 1% logically

whos to say they wont do that every other week? no1 can ..why put yourself in this situation? there's really nothing 1 can do but find himself every advantage to prepare when hes gonna fight and pac has done that all the while agreeing to unlimited urine test which can test most ALL PEDS except HGH and a cut-off date for the blood..

doesnt sound to me like hes on anything


P.S sorry about the quoting thingy

dude, I can't read this.

[FloydTBE]

Floyd is a ***** asking for an extra-ordinary test and then negotiate on it.

If i was so confident on beating a one-dimensional midget, i would even feed him all the peds i can find just to make the fight competitive.

Therefore, floyd is really scared even his dad is scared for him.

dont think so

[V.WEBB]

nope, the real thing is floyd tried to dictate what manny should do when the truth is it is unnecessary (blood test) and extraordinary. manny tried to go out of his way to accomodate but floyds team doesnt want to negotiate a compromise. so technically floyd and his team blew out the fight.

If it was so unnecessary and extraordinary, then why did Manny agree? You guys don't seem to address that. Then, you say, "because he wanted the fight." Then when he doesn't want to do the test to MAKE THE FIGHT, ya'll say, "he won't let Floyd dictate", I mean which one is it?

Also, on what planet do you accommodate someone by changing what THEY proposed to fit how YOU want to do it?

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

don't get me wrong. i think manny has every right to tell floyd to go fuck himself.

but the reason why he refused is because of his ego. something that he kinda developed.

remember the hatton negotiations? he wouldn't accept 50-50 cause he truly believed that he deserves the bigger share. he ended with 48-52 or something like it. that wasn't about the money. its about his ego/pride whatever you choose to call it.

this fight could have happened if not for his ego

anyways, this **** is old.

Listen, I don't know if you have ever been around boxers or fighters of any kind but they ALL have ego's. It goes with the territory......

The bottom line in all of this is that Manny never tested positive for ****...EVER. So yes it's about ego but who cares, the fight should have happened and was already agreed upon before all of this nonsense came up.

Imagine me and you make a bet or agree to something, shake hands and then a week later I want to change the terms of what we agreed upon.

I don't know where you are from but where I come from, that **** can get you seriously hurt.

[V.WEBB]

Listen, I don't know if you have ever been around boxers or fighters of any kind but they ALL have ego's. It goes with the territory......

The bottom line in all of this is that Manny never tested positive for ****...EVER. So yes it's about ego but who cares, the fight should have happened and was already agreed upon before all of this nonsense came up.

Imagine me and you make a bet or agree to something, shake hands and then a week later I want to change the terms of what we agreed upon.

I don't know where you are from but where I come from, that **** can get you seriously hurt.

I don't know why Manny tried to change the terms. I'm still trying to figure that out.

[PAKYO]

dont think so

Which one?

If it was so unnecessary and extraordinary, then why did Manny agree? You guys don't seem to address that. Then, you say, "because he wanted the fight." Then when he doesn't want to do the test to MAKE THE FIGHT, ya'll say, "he won't let Floyd dictate", I mean which one is it?

Also, on what planet do you accommodate someone by changing what THEY proposed to fit how YOU want to do it?

If floyd is the best there is and is so confident beating a one-dimensional midget with a blown-up head? Why did he not accede to a 24 day cutoff date or even a 30 day cutoff date?

It doesn't really make sense at all saying he can beat pac so easily and put out all those roadblocks to not make the fight happen.

Just answer that one because if i'm the best out there and so confident on beating everyone, i would give them peds just to make it competitive and not a snorer fight...which he is very known of.

[flour]

You act as if Manny would be the only one tested, which was NEVER the case and it isn't the case now. Manny had tubes of blood taken from him 19 DAYS before his fight with Clottey and the VERY next day he was knocking sparring partners out,

it is irrelevant if they r both tested, each camp look out for their own fighters and if they feel it weakens them.. hey it does , with pac ther we have evidence for this not some baseless accusation like the mayweathers have when it comes to asking for ADDITIONAL TEST out of what is acceptable and offered so.... they will look for ways not to get weakened.. its that simple my friend

This has nothing to do with the testing.

no its not but i believe you asked why pac has agreed to the testing, more so not because of the testing itself but his motive behind it.. and i gave u a plausible answer with facts ..

I don't tend to get into the numbers aspect of it concerning contracts. But if you think that since Pac outsold May in ONE fight would determine that he should have gotten the bigger share then I have some land in the Gulf Coast that I want to sell you. They BOTH agreed to the 50/50 because that is what they should have done. That was supposed to be the "hurdle" with the negotiations but THEY (not just Manny) worked that out smoothly.

then that's your own opinion

Fear increased after watching the Clottey fight......

why else would you revert back to claims of unlimited testing when you know it has failed already even when there's a cut-off date and THEN CLAIM FOR A 60-40 share after you agreed to a 50-50 split that also didnt work??? gawd daaayum.. hehe, i find no reasoning behind this unless youre either completely ****** and dont want the fight to happen or you are fearing a fighter and making pre-emptive moves to derail the fight just in case the negotiation starts up again?? didnt you just say a 50-50 is what should happen like a paragraph above?? hehe mayweather doesnt agree with your opinions.. can u say cluck cluck?

You do realize that Arum was found to be lying about what really happened during the mediation, right?

no arum didnt lie, he was in fact painfully truthful, he said there was the notion of may mumbling about a 14 day cut off date OUTSIDE OF THE ARBITRATION and arum wouldnt entertain it so whats he lying about? may didnt propose the 14 day cut-off date during arbritation, that's a fact and they( team pac)wanted the the 24, we can speculate all we want on what would happen if they offerred the 14 days and why pac would refuse and they would but that would be because they know may is using 14 days as a way to look like he wants the fight when in reality he doesnt and hed loo for other venues to duck pac, again pac has made his moves and try to make it work, may hasnt.. which is exactly why mays didnt offer the 14 day cut off date during arbitration..

He tried to make it work so much that he agreed, then backpedaled then said that he is too weakened and need 24 days for the cut off. But gets tubes of blood taken 19 days before his fight with Clottey, the next day he is destroying sparring partners and then throws almost 1200 punches over 12 rounds?

youre comparing apples to oranges, the test may is asking for is optional, all of the test that have been put forth and done by pac is obligatory, pac is weakened thats a fact, i can provide you with the links where he has made claims taking blood from him made him have a war with morales in their first fight instead of the pummelling he gave to him 7 months later
so why would pac bring it onto himself and weakened him when he already knows the test that is required of him to have a fight weakened him.. like physical exams to check his health by bloodtesting him done 3 days b4 morales-pac 1. didnt u just say they have enough to deal with sparring with their partners and they get nose bleed ?

add that to the fact that this IS a random drug test which means there's no fixed amount of times they can take your blood as well as when.. they r gonna put themselves in murky waters
why would u do that to yourself as a fighter.. especially when youre gonna fight the self-profess greatest fighter of all time..
pac relies on his endurance and power and common sense, your blood is what carries your oxygen, you take that away from you and you decrease your level of oxygen carrying capacity by however amount and your oxygen is everything, look at horses when a cheater of another horse plugs his nose and he cant breathe.. what happens? he cant win the kentucky derby.. i know this for a fact, the same people that are testing mayweather and shane r the same people who test hasafa powell during the 2008 olympic games and hasafa said they took blood from him at least 3 times in a span of one week so were talking 9-12 tubes of blood.. that's roughly 40 ml of blood or 1% of your whole blood volume.. we can then say hasafa's blood carrying capacity was reduced by 1% logically, to fight the best fighter you gotta be on top of your game.. fullstop.. arent u a boxing fan? or u some *****?

whos to say they wont do that every other week? no1 can ..why put yourself in this situation? there's really nothing 1 can do but find himself every advantage to prepare when hes gonna fight and pac has done that all the while agreeing to unlimited urine test which can test most ALL PEDS except HGH and a cut-off date for the blood..

doesnt sound to me like hes on anything, he tried to entertain the fight and give the fans what they want to the extend it doesn't compromise his ability in the ring and thats that

may is a chicken.. END THREAD..

but i doubt you *****s will end the thread

[Da Hammer]

Floyd needs to lay off the bull**** and fight Pacquiao. Everyone in there right mind knows these tests are not necessary!!!! And if Floyd was really trying to "clean up the sport" then he would have started the random tests before the marquez fight. Everyone but his nuthuggers know floyd is full of ****!