Al Bernstein: "Floyd and his minions killed the Pacquiao fight."

[The Big Dunn]

--sits on 300 million dollars of which may claims himself and hes known to come in over the weight limit and cheat the scales...

most of the fighters who have already been penalize suffer 10-70k penalty and they have what? 100k in the bank? im being generaous, i dont know how much they earn but i sure do know theyre not making millions and that in itself serve as a deterance on why they shouldnt cheat.. pac's demand wasnt outrageous it was in fact sensible because it would serve as a deterrent on may not cheating since anything below 1 million is peanuts to may... do u like may cheating ? i think u do



i know you making this up especially the unsigned part.. there's no weigh-in and promoting and everything fight related unless there's a sign contract LMAO





so floyd needed money for the IRS and somehow he put himself in the position where he lost 600k... 600k of what he needs for the IRS besides the revenue for the fight itself of course.. lol... dude do u think b4 u type or u just like to put down words? lmao





hes fought there a couple of time(zab and baldo comes to mind)s and fought ODLH at 154 when he weighed in at 150.. and fought odlh at 147 on fightnight or so he claims
dont be a *****.... a ***** in the making

Zab and Baldo fights were for the IBF and undisputed ww chaampionships. They were fought at 147. Floyd weighed in under the limit.

This site posted the story regarding the floyd JMM fight. The weigh in occurred AFTER the new contract was signed. I never said it was ok. I only told the story. I don't know why floyd agreed to fight at 144, Thought it wasn't smart. JMM could have refuse the fight. He didn't because he wanted to get the payday.

Interesting point you make about pacs demand being sensible to avoid cheating. Lets go with that point. Floyd came in at 146 for a 144 lb catchweight fight. he has never been overweight for a 147lb fight. If he comes in at 146 for the manny fight he is not in violation.

Manny has never tested positive for steroids. But shouldn't he take the test because, as you so eloquently iindicated floyds demnds are

in fact sensible because it would serve as a deterrent on manny not cheating... do u like manny cheating I think so

[V.WEBB]

the weight penalty issue was not only to be imposed on floyd. it was agreed for both.

I wasn't even speaking about Floyd and Manny in that last post you quoted.

[The Big Dunn]

i really have no idea if the commissions are interested to implement this random blood testing...i'm not even sure if their current procedures are really not effective. and i don't think they will cancel fights if someone fails the test because usually the test results comes out days after the fight unless the fighter was caught during the training and not immediately before or after the fight.

The most reliable method for PED testing is random blood and urine testing. If implemented and a fighter test positive during the testing it is likely the fight would be cancelled. Results are available immediately. They are sent to the lab for verification.

[V.WEBB]

Now i'm getting confused...

First off, *****s keeps saying pac is suspect for not giving blood, just a teaspoon of blood and now you say this...

Don't categorize me with other posters. I have made how I feel about this situation known. But I will address what I mean...pakyo

I'm not buying that. How did he get a tube of blood taken before fighting Clottey ,then the VERY next day he was training like his normal self and going to WORK on sparring partners, if giving blood weakens him? Come on man.

When I said TUBE, I wasn't talking about a tub of blood. If you watch the video, you can clearly see that he didn't have a heck of a lot of blood taken from him. Not only that, but that was 19 days before his fight with Clottey. So why was he and his team so hellbent on a 24 day cut-off? The blood that was taken, COULD NOT HAVE weakened him, because he destroyed his sparring partners the next day. ALSO, when he gave his blood, that was the pre-fight physical. That blood was not to be tested for PEDS OR DRUGS, but for AIDS, etc.

If pac is really unto something here which makes you people believe the crackhead, then why Pac let his blood get tested on other fights?

*****logic is really damn confusing...

Where have you ever read that I, Coach Webb believe that Manny is on PEDs and that I believe Floyd Sr?

[robboxing]

I'm pretty sure in the contrct it states that if either fighter is positive, the fight is immediately cancelled.

[The Big Dunn]

You know I don't even think its Manny. I think its Bob. If Bob wouldn't have contradicted Manny and Roach saying they would take the test this wouldn't even be a discussion.
Bob has no problem doing exactly what floyd is doing, using any means necessary to generate hype to make more money!

As a Pac fan I wish you and guys like you were as angry at bob for soiling pac's name and legacy as you are floyd.

[Pacquiao'd]

Because of the money? Evander said he did it because he knew if he didn't take it would be like an admission of guilt. Also he agreed that the results would not be unveiled until after the fight was over.

I can only imagine what you call Manny for agreeing, then telling a bunch of lies and contradicting himself as to why he doesn't want to do it.

even evander said what everyone else has been saying

pac is on ppeds, str8 up

[jrosales13]

Al Bernstein like Dan Rafael is just a biased journalist.

He talks about he wants to talk about.

Didn't even mention Ward butting Kessler or Dirrell running...

Don't you ever in your life compare a fat fuck like Rafael to the great Al Bernstein.

[Pacquiao'd]

Quick question. I'm a floyd fan. I know he's not trying to clean up the sport. But the tests are necessary for every boxing match that takes place in the United States. Would you be opposed to Manny taking random urine and blood tests if a fighter you respected requested them?


The reason I ask is I agree floyd's request is more about hyping the fight by dissing his opponent than it is cleaning up boxing. That said, as for now random PED testing is the gold standard to catch cheaters. That helps Manny, floyd and every fighter!

If Manny takes the test and comes up clean (as he has every other test) then every state commission would likely have to have testing,which benefits all of boxing. Your take?

i totallydisagree with that.

i think that floyd actaully believes pac is on something. it has nothing to do with "hyping" the fight.

[flour]

Zab and Baldo fights were for the IBF and undisputed ww chaampionships. They were fought at 147. Floyd weighed in under the limit.

This site posted the story regarding the floyd JMM fight. The weigh in occurred AFTER the new contract was signed. I never said it was ok. I only told the story. I don't know why floyd agreed to fight at 144, Thought it wasn't smart. JMM could have refuse the fight. He didn't because he wanted to get the payday.

Interesting point you make about pacs demand being sensible to avoid cheating. Lets go with that point. Floyd came in at 146 for a 144 lb catchweight fight. he has never been overweight for a 147lb fight. If he comes in at 146 for the manny fight he is not in violation.

Manny has never tested positive for steroids. But shouldn't he take the test because, as you so eloquently iindicated floyds demnds are

in fact sensible because it would serve as a deterrent on manny not cheating... do u like manny cheating I think so

what i do know is the fact that pac agreed to unlimited testing, i wasnt privy to what is PEDS and the testing b4 this debacle and since then ive enlightened myself some

i will make this claim of what ive read, there are 3 hormones in the body that are 1) natural- testesterone of which can be made to steroids,2) natural epo( counterpart is synethtic epo) and 3) natural human growth hormone or HGH( counterpart is synthetic hgh)all of this hormones can be synthesize( produce in the lab) and injected to enhance performance
b4 i continue ill make make one thing clear, there's no supposed drug test that can detect all drugs in the body.. when its UNKNOWN, usually the drug testers know what to test for when 1) there's a snitch by said athlete who used it and provided the sample of which the drug testing agency reverse engineer its unique chemical or signature in order to develop a test that can detect it when its injected 2) WADA and drug testing agencies on athletes use to do raids on athletes compound,camps, houses etc and they come across a drug theyve never and again they develop a test for it 3) there's a snitch by the manufacterer or some middle man.. watever and they come across a sample
(ILL PROVIDE LINKS LATER OTHERWISE I WOULDNT BE ANSWERING YOU RIGHT NOW)

having said that,i know this much--- all forms of steroids and there's gazillion varian produce to go undetected ---can be detected if they r known b4hand, same can be said for EPO testing.... using urinalysis,

this can also be said with the blood test when it deals with steroids,epo and HGH( WILL PROVIDE LINK LATER)


i do know this HGH cant be detected through urine, at least officially, however there's at least 3 scientific test done on HGH and the effects on athletes and they all have the stance that HGH decreases your stamina, all the studies support each other and they r done indepently of each other over the years by diffrent universities and labs( I WILL PROVIDE THE LINKS TO THEM LATER)

besides that there's PEDS like painkillers, masking agents( all urine test look for masking agents in case the known EPO, STEROID is hidden), dyuretics.. etc
all of this can be detected through urine alone( WILL PROVIDE LINK LATER)

now pac has already agreed to unlimited testing, this in itself will check for 99.999% of all known steroids,epo and said PEDS known to man and the other 0.001% that is not detected by urine, officially at least, is the HGH

pac is stamina freak that can be said much, using the facts we have establish by studies that say HGH makes you gas, why would you even want a blood test especially when it makes a fighter weak and the only thing that test for is HGH... does a stamina freak needs an HGH test when HGH makes u gas?

does that make sense?

doesn't make sense to me..

i dont see how pac is trying to cheat then.. now maybe if he didnt agree to unlimited urine testing then i would start to question pac but we know now BLOOD TESTING is not only redundant, it makes you weak


like i said ill provide links later but if you want be my guest at googling, you will find straight up truths