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  • V.WEBB
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    #121
    Originally posted by El Jesus
    This isnt a disrespect to pac, Pacs legacy is currently ahead of floyds. If you know me, im not a hater, i have respected and followed pac longer than alot of you likely reading this thread


    . But when he says one demensional, i know what he means. Pacs diversity and angles are almost entirely offensive, and most of them come from when an opponent is stationary and attempting to trade. Alot of what he does works when an opponent is standing in front of him. For example, cotto was on the move, and jabbing, pac did absolutely nothing. All of the angles, diversity and his fantastic right hand are only effective if you are standing front of him either waiting for it or in the middle of an exchange. You take that away, and you can see floyds point.

    Think about this. A guy like floyd who can take you inside, outside, move and throws every punch in the book, is extremely diverse. People keep talking about the shoulder roll like its his only defense, this guy gives you a different look practically every round. Also, people talk about pacs "improved defense", im not really seeing that. What i see is a grade A chin and a mountain of punch resistence. What i also see is cotto, moved, jabbed, even when he had nothing, still snapped pacs head back, technicians like floyd see that stuff a mile away. Cotto also connected with looping arm punches that had no buisness connecting. Mayweather can also take the fight inside and he needs virtually no room to punch, ive yet to see pac in a phonebooth.

    Another thing that has to be noted. When pac moves his head to the right, the left hand over the top comes in every single time, cotto actually took a step back and threw a straight and stopped him in his tracks.

    Floyd is not going to do what cotto did which is stand in front of him and attempt to impose his will. If pac wants to have any chance against floyd, they have to prepare him for floyd to be on the move. Frankly this is a very difficult fight for pac. Ive already seen floyd adjust midfight countless times. If you are looking to the judah fight for success, dont, if thats the case, ill look to the morales fight. Both floyd and pac are improved from that time, however its pacs chin and his outstanding power that have carried him this far. also his quickness.

    Remember this also, floyd has a tendency to make fighters very wary of his accuracy which completely drops their punch output. Its not going to be a wipeout on either side.
    EL, do you still see it this way?

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    • nujabes77
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      #122
      Originally posted by El Jesus
      This isnt a disrespect to pac, Pacs legacy is currently ahead of floyds. If you know me, im not a hater, i have respected and followed pac longer than alot of you likely reading this thread


      . But when he says one demensional, i know what he means. Pacs diversity and angles are almost entirely offensive, and most of them come from when an opponent is stationary and attempting to trade. Alot of what he does works when an opponent is standing in front of him. For example, cotto was on the move, and jabbing, pac did absolutely nothing. All of the angles, diversity and his fantastic right hand are only effective if you are standing front of him either waiting for it or in the middle of an exchange. You take that away, and you can see floyds point.

      Think about this. A guy like floyd who can take you inside, outside, move and throws every punch in the book, is extremely diverse. People keep talking about the shoulder roll like its his only defense, this guy gives you a different look practically every round. Also, people talk about pacs "improved defense", im not really seeing that. What i see is a grade A chin and a mountain of punch resistence. What i also see is cotto, moved, jabbed, even when he had nothing, still snapped pacs head back, technicians like floyd see that stuff a mile away. Cotto also connected with looping arm punches that had no buisness connecting. Mayweather can also take the fight inside and he needs virtually no room to punch, ive yet to see pac in a phonebooth.

      Another thing that has to be noted. When pac moves his head to the right, the left hand over the top comes in every single time, cotto actually took a step back and threw a straight and stopped him in his tracks.

      Floyd is not going to do what cotto did which is stand in front of him and attempt to impose his will. If pac wants to have any chance against floyd, they have to prepare him for floyd to be on the move. Frankly this is a very difficult fight for pac. Ive already seen floyd adjust midfight countless times. If you are looking to the judah fight for success, dont, if thats the case, ill look to the morales fight. Both floyd and pac are improved from that time, however its pacs chin and his outstanding power that have carried him this far. also his quickness.

      Remember this also, floyd has a tendency to make fighters very wary of his accuracy which completely drops their punch output. Its not going to be a wipeout on either side.


      yeah 'one dimensional' and yet hes afraid to fight the guy...

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      • S.G.
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        #123
        I wouldn't say Pac is 'one dimensional' exactly but I definitely think Floyd will be his kryptonite

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          #124
          Originally posted by S.G.
          I wouldn't say Pac is 'one dimensional' exactly but I definitely think Floyd will be his kryptonite
          Yes, his style is all wrong for Manny.

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          • Carpe Diem
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            #125
            Great Thread...Pac has definitely improved on certain basic stuff..

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            • B.U.R.N.E.R
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              #126
              If there ever was a bad style match up for Pac...Its Floyd.

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              • S.G.
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                #127
                Originally posted by No Ceilings
                If there ever was a bad style match up for Pac...Its Floyd.
                It's awesome because I'd say Pac is about as close to the perfect style to beat Floyd as you can get also (not that he will). They each have stylistic advatnges over each other.

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                  #128
                  Originally posted by S.G.
                  It's awesome because I'd say Pac is about as close to the perfect style to beat Floyd as you can get also (not that he will). They each have stylistic advatnges over each other.
                  If Manny was taller than yeah;but Manny has what I call Titoitis when he gets jabbed constantly he does nothing the fight with Cotto showed me that.

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                    #129
                    Originally posted by dc3383
                    If Manny was taller than yeah;but Manny has what I call Titoitis when he gets jabbed constantly he does nothing the fight with Cotto showed me that.
                    Aye I know what you mean, but Manny is also a high workrate fighter and as long as he keeps throwing, even if he's missing, he'll have a good chance at giving Floyd nightmares.

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                      #130
                      Originally posted by S.G.
                      Aye I know what you mean, but Manny is also a high workrate fighter and as long as he keeps throwing, even if he's missing, he'll have a good chance at giving Floyd nightmares.
                      True but when you start getting nailed with hard counters over an over again most would become more careful with what they throw...which equals into lower workrate...

                      If Pac keeps coming, Floyd will keep dishing...

                      By any means Floyd will find a way to lower Pac's workrate whether Pac wants to or not...

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