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  • rambov
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    #91
    Originally posted by El Jesus
    This isnt a disrespect to pac, Pacs legacy is currently ahead of floyds. If you know me, im not a hater, i have respected and followed pac longer than alot of you likely reading this thread


    . But when he says one demensional, i know what he means. Pacs diversity and angles are almost entirely offensive, and most of them come from when an opponent is stationary and attempting to trade. Alot of what he does works when an opponent is standing in front of him. For example, cotto was on the move, and jabbing, pac did absolutely nothing. All of the angles, diversity and his fantastic right hand are only effective if you are standing front of him either waiting for it or in the middle of an exchange. You take that away, and you can see floyds point.

    Think about this. A guy like floyd who can take you inside, outside, move and throws every punch in the book, is extremely diverse. People keep talking about the shoulder roll like its his only defense, this guy gives you a different look practically every round. Also, people talk about pacs "improved defense", im not really seeing that. What i see is a grade A chin and a mountain of punch resistence. What i also see is cotto, moved, jabbed, even when he had nothing, still snapped pacs head back, technicians like floyd see that stuff a mile away. Cotto also connected with looping arm punches that had no buisness connecting. Mayweather can also take the fight inside and he needs virtually no room to punch, ive yet to see pac in a phonebooth.

    Another thing that has to be noted. When pac moves his head to the right, the left hand over the top comes in every single time, cotto actually took a step back and threw a straight and stopped him in his tracks.

    Floyd is not going to do what cotto did which is stand in front of him and attempt to impose his will. If pac wants to have any chance against floyd, they have to prepare him for floyd to be on the move. Frankly this is a very difficult fight for pac. Ive already seen floyd adjust midfight countless times. If you are looking to the judah fight for success, dont, if thats the case, ill look to the morales fight. Both floyd and pac are improved from that time, however its pacs chin and his outstanding power that have carried him this far. also his quickness.

    Remember this also, floyd has a tendency to make fighters very wary of his accuracy which completely drops their punch output. Its not going to be a wipeout on either side.
    Great post. PAC's defense is his offense. He is going to need some defense.

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    • Breakbeat
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      #92
      Originally posted by El Jesus
      This isnt a disrespect to pac, Pacs legacy is currently ahead of floyds. If you know me, im not a hater, i have respected and followed pac longer than alot of you likely reading this thread


      . But when he says one demensional, i know what he means. Pacs diversity and angles are almost entirely offensive, and most of them come from when an opponent is stationary and attempting to trade. Alot of what he does works when an opponent is standing in front of him. For example, cotto was on the move, and jabbing, pac did absolutely nothing. All of the angles, diversity and his fantastic right hand are only effective if you are standing front of him either waiting for it or in the middle of an exchange. You take that away, and you can see floyds point.

      Think about this. A guy like floyd who can take you inside, outside, move and throws every punch in the book, is extremely diverse. People keep talking about the shoulder roll like its his only defense, this guy gives you a different look practically every round. Also, people talk about pacs "improved defense", im not really seeing that. What i see is a grade A chin and a mountain of punch resistence. What i also see is cotto, moved, jabbed, even when he had nothing, still snapped pacs head back, technicians like floyd see that stuff a mile away. Cotto also connected with looping arm punches that had no buisness connecting. Mayweather can also take the fight inside and he needs virtually no room to punch, ive yet to see pac in a phonebooth.

      Another thing that has to be noted. When pac moves his head to the right, the left hand over the top comes in every single time, cotto actually took a step back and threw a straight and stopped him in his tracks.

      Floyd is not going to do what cotto did which is stand in front of him and attempt to impose his will. If pac wants to have any chance against floyd, they have to prepare him for floyd to be on the move. Frankly this is a very difficult fight for pac. Ive already seen floyd adjust midfight countless times. If you are looking to the judah fight for success, dont, if thats the case, ill look to the morales fight. Both floyd and pac are improved from that time, however its pacs chin and his outstanding power that have carried him this far. also his quickness.

      Remember this also, floyd has a tendency to make fighters very wary of his accuracy which completely drops their punch output. Its not going to be a wipeout on either side.
      Originally posted by El Jesus
      one other thing is that mayweather does alot of clinching on the inside, hes going to do his best to tie up pac, hell do everything he can to not let him get off.

      This is exactly what will happen and should be quoted after the fight.

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      • Jiddu Dali
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        #93
        Originally posted by Left Hook Tua
        wtf? yes most latin fighters don't possess technical ability.

        unfortunately for floyd he doesn't have balls like marquez. most african american fighters don't possess that.
        The majority of the GREATEST FIGHTERS OF ALL TIME ARE African American

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        • RisAri0
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          #94
          roach will search for whatever bad habit floyd has and study him thoroughly.. i'm a fan of both guys and pinoy at that, but i'm picking floyd to win as of now, but my heart is with manny (pause)

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          • El Jesus
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            #95
            Originally posted by RisAri0
            roach will search for whatever bad habit floyd has and study him thoroughly.. i'm a fan of both guys and pinoy at that, but i'm picking floyd to win as of now, but my heart is with manny (pause)
            lmao @ pause.


            Ive been watching floyd for a long time (pause)

            man, floyd was really in shape for his last fight, i also watched him work out (pause)

            man, did you see manny at the weight in, his legs are looking huge in that tight underwear (pause)

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            • inferno
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              #96
              Originally posted by RisAri0
              roach will search for whatever bad habit floyd has and study him thoroughly.. i'm a fan of both guys and pinoy at that, but i'm picking floyd to win as of now, but my heart is with manny (pause)
              The one bad habit that Floyd has is that he'll occasionally trap himself on the ropes while moving away. He doesn't pull straight back though so Manny is going to have to try to pounce on him when he does get trapped and hope he doesn't catch a counter right hand for his troubles.

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              • Silky-Flow
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                #97
                Originally posted by shogunn
                1 dimensional is just coming forward, with no movement. The angles that Manny takes, from left and right completely make him unorthodox, with a broken rthym, anyone with a solid Defense can get confused and open up.
                How many boxers can say they fight similar to Manny?
                His offense alone is multi dimensional, his footwork and the ability to dart in and out make it offensive and defensive.
                Manny also showed everyone, purposely or not, that he can fight on the inside with Heavy hitters. He was letting Cotto him against the ropes, when he noticed Cotto was worn enough, he ducks out and starts his offense. His combos are also unconventional. Alot of fighters dont see them coming. Manny shows he can do it in a variety of ways, Hatton was taken down with a right hooks, Cotto was taken down by uppercuts. Manny was tysonesque setting up from a jab to an uppercut. Cotto never saw it coming and buckled.

                Floyd has never seen a fighters like Manny before. You can say he neutralized and adjusted to many boxers, but names like Hatton, fat JMM, baldomir, and a dumb judah doesnt really impress me. Aside from maybe JMM, they are legitly 1 dimensional boxers. The fact that all but one of those fights went to 12 rounds shows the passiveness in floyd.

                An Old De la hoya under roach gave him the most fits, but oscar was only a shell of himself and couldnt execute the game plan fully. A Primed Manny, with quicker and a more confusing attack can hurt Floyd. We'll see how he trys to defend and potshot Manny, we know Manny isnt just going to come straight forward, but from different angles.

                Floyd cant shoulder roll a southpaw from an orthodox stance. So far floyd has put on defensive clinics against much lesser opponents which makes him look very good. Its no wonder he avoids fighters like cotto, mosley, and any real welterweights.
                You say "Floyd has never faced a fighter like Manny before" and cheekily write off Judah as if he's not a speedy southpaw just like Pac but yet have no comment about the fact that Pac has never faced a slick counter puncher in his WHOLE CAREER? Manny ducked every slick fighter he could have faced in the lower weights such as Guzman and Raheem and the last time he faced a genuine right handed fighter (Jmm) he was given fits, if people want to play this "Floyd hasn't seen anything like Pac" game then they better look at Pac's record because the guy has had 55 fights without facing a certain style of boxing, and at this stage of his career he's gonna be in for an almighty culture shock when he steps into the ring with Floyd, one can only assume that there's a good reason why Roach has kept him away from slick boxers thus far.

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                • chucky4u6
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                  #98
                  great post

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                  • ROSS CALIFORNIA
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                    #99
                    Originally posted by El Jesus
                    This isnt a disrespect to pac, Pacs legacy is currently ahead of floyds. If you know me, im not a hater, i have respected and followed pac longer than alot of you likely reading this thread


                    . But when he says one demensional, i know what he means. Pacs diversity and angles are almost entirely offensive, and most of them come from when an opponent is stationary and attempting to trade. Alot of what he does works when an opponent is standing in front of him. For example, cotto was on the move, and jabbing, pac did absolutely nothing. All of the angles, diversity and his fantastic right hand are only effective if you are standing front of him either waiting for it or in the middle of an exchange. You take that away, and you can see floyds point.

                    Think about this. A guy like floyd who can take you inside, outside, move and throws every punch in the book, is extremely diverse. People keep talking about the shoulder roll like its his only defense, this guy gives you a different look practically every round. Also, people talk about pacs "improved defense", im not really seeing that. What i see is a grade A chin and a mountain of punch resistence. What i also see is cotto, moved, jabbed, even when he had nothing, still snapped pacs head back, technicians like floyd see that stuff a mile away. Cotto also connected with looping arm punches that had no buisness connecting. Mayweather can also take the fight inside and he needs virtually no room to punch, ive yet to see pac in a phonebooth.

                    Another thing that has to be noted. When pac moves his head to the right, the left hand over the top comes in every single time, cotto actually took a step back and threw a straight and stopped him in his tracks.

                    Floyd is not going to do what cotto did which is stand in front of him and attempt to impose his will. If pac wants to have any chance against floyd, they have to prepare him for floyd to be on the move. Frankly this is a very difficult fight for pac. Ive already seen floyd adjust midfight countless times. If you are looking to the judah fight for success, dont, if thats the case, ill look to the morales fight. Both floyd and pac are improved from that time, however its pacs chin and his outstanding power that have carried him this far. also his quickness.

                    Remember this also, floyd has a tendency to make fighters very wary of his accuracy which completely drops their punch output. Its not going to be a wipeout on either side.
                    Wow, that was a very good post. I agree with a lot of that. I also noticed how easily Pac was able to hit with the jab and the lack of defense. I've seen much more head movement from him in the past, where was that come fight night? And the fact his opposition needs to be in front of him to land is so true. Mayweather is Pacs worst nightmare, IMO. I still think it will be a good close fight though.

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                    • nelsoncm
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                      #100
                      I love how Pac is underestimated time and time again.

                      Wait till fight night. Roles might be reversed. Manny might be the one to time Floyd well. The mindset will be different when the opponent is defensive.

                      Manny is a thousand times Judah is as a fighter. He'll do to Floyd what Zab couldn't finish. You can't duck all those combinations throughout the fight unless you're Sweet Pea, and Floyd isn't.

                      God make this fight happen.

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