When floyd says "one demensional" i know exactly what he means, come read

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  • El Jesus
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    When floyd says "one demensional" i know exactly what he means, come read

    This isnt a disrespect to pac, Pacs legacy is currently ahead of floyds. If you know me, im not a hater, i have respected and followed pac longer than alot of you likely reading this thread


    . But when he says one demensional, i know what he means. Pacs diversity and angles are almost entirely offensive, and most of them come from when an opponent is stationary and attempting to trade. Alot of what he does works when an opponent is standing in front of him. For example, cotto was on the move, and jabbing, pac did absolutely nothing. All of the angles, diversity and his fantastic right hand are only effective if you are standing front of him either waiting for it or in the middle of an exchange. You take that away, and you can see floyds point.

    Think about this. A guy like floyd who can take you inside, outside, move and throws every punch in the book, is extremely diverse. People keep talking about the shoulder roll like its his only defense, this guy gives you a different look practically every round. Also, people talk about pacs "improved defense", im not really seeing that. What i see is a grade A chin and a mountain of punch resistence. What i also see is cotto, moved, jabbed, even when he had nothing, still snapped pacs head back, technicians like floyd see that stuff a mile away. Cotto also connected with looping arm punches that had no buisness connecting. Mayweather can also take the fight inside and he needs virtually no room to punch, ive yet to see pac in a phonebooth.

    Another thing that has to be noted. When pac moves his head to the right, the left hand over the top comes in every single time, cotto actually took a step back and threw a straight and stopped him in his tracks.

    Floyd is not going to do what cotto did which is stand in front of him and attempt to impose his will. If pac wants to have any chance against floyd, they have to prepare him for floyd to be on the move. Frankly this is a very difficult fight for pac. Ive already seen floyd adjust midfight countless times. If you are looking to the judah fight for success, dont, if thats the case, ill look to the morales fight. Both floyd and pac are improved from that time, however its pacs chin and his outstanding power that have carried him this far. also his quickness.

    Remember this also, floyd has a tendency to make fighters very wary of his accuracy which completely drops their punch output. Its not going to be a wipeout on either side.
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    Not gonna read that.. But did u see how pac cut the ring so effectively? Cotto was backpedalling from the 6th on but still could not avoid pacs fury.. If pac is one dimensional then WTF does it say to all the opponents that have been KTFO by him??

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    • El Jesus
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      one other thing is that mayweather does alot of clinching on the inside, hes going to do his best to tie up pac, hell do everything he can to not let him get off.

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      • Doctor_Tenma
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        #4
        Very interesting post

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        • El Jesus
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          #5
          Originally posted by johncods
          Not gonna read that.. But did u see how pac cut the ring so effectively? Cotto was backpedalling from the 6th on but still could not avoid pacs fury.. If pac is one dimensional then WTF does it say to all the opponents that have been KTFO by him??
          Cotto slowed down, thats why he couldnt avoid pacs fury, i saw alot less cutting off the ring, and alot more cotto stopping to get off an exchange. Pac was very flat footed and in some instances followed him.

          I know you arent going to read all of that because you arent interested in any counterpoint discussion, nor are you interested in providing reason to how Roach can prepare Pac for the strategies i just named. Thats expected.

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          • Bobby Shaw
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            #6
            Intelligent post

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            • DuttyAlacrity
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              #7
              Originally posted by El Jesus
              This isnt a disrespect to pac, Pacs legacy is currently ahead of floyds. If you know me, im not a hater, i have respected and followed pac longer than alot of you likely reading this thread


              . But when he says one demensional, i know what he means. Pacs diversity and angles are almost entirely offensive, and most of them come from when an opponent is stationary and attempting to trade. Alot of what he does works when an opponent is standing in front of him. For example, cotto was on the move, and jabbing, pac did absolutely nothing. All of the angles, diversity and his fantastic right hand are only effective if you are standing front of him either waiting for it or in the middle of an exchange. You take that away, and you can see floyds point.

              Think about this. A guy like floyd who can take you inside, outside, move and throws every punch in the book, is extremely diverse. People keep talking about the shoulder roll like its his only defense, this guy gives you a different look practically every round. Also, people talk about pacs "improved defense", im not really seeing that. What i see is a grade A chin and a mountain of punch resistence. What i also see is cotto, moved, jabbed, even when he had nothing, still snapped pacs head back, technicians like floyd see that stuff a mile away. Cotto also connected with looping arm punches that had no buisness connecting. Mayweather can also take the fight inside and he needs virtually no room to punch, ive yet to see pac in a phonebooth.

              Another thing that has to be noted. When pac moves his head to the right, the left hand over the top comes in every single time, cotto actually took a step back and threw a straight and stopped him in his tracks.

              Floyd is not going to do what cotto did which is stand in front of him and attempt to impose his will. If pac wants to have any chance against floyd, they have to prepare him for floyd to be on the move. Frankly this is a very difficult fight for pac. Ive already seen floyd adjust midfight countless times. If you are looking to the judah fight for success, dont, if thats the case, ill look to the morales fight. Both floyd and pac are improved from that time, however its pacs chin and his outstanding power that have carried him this far. also his quickness.

              Remember this also, floyd has a tendency to make fighters very wary of his accuracy which completely drops their punch output. Its not going to be a wipeout on either side.
              good post

              sidenote: I never understood why someone would post in a thread without reading the first post...

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              • sycomantz
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                #8
                goodpost, green K.

                i think floyd will tko or ko pac from accumulation.

                Pac chin can withstand some good punishment. but that doesnt mean his brain can withstand the punishment of consistent, clean, hard, accurate blows connecting above 50%

                especially if floyd opens up and throws punches like he did against Gatti
                Last edited by sycomantz; 11-16-2009, 02:28 PM.

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                • sycomantz
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by johncods
                  Not gonna read that.. But did u see how pac cut the ring so effectively? Cotto was backpedalling from the 6th on but still could not avoid pacs fury.. If pac is one dimensional then WTF does it say to all the opponents that have been KTFO by him??
                  did you not see when Cotto was cutting off the ring, not leaving pac anywhere to go?

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                  • Chuckguy
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                    #10
                    Man you cant write stuff like this bro
                    the tards are going to avoid this thread like the plague
                    good post!

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