When floyd says "one demensional" i know exactly what he means, come read

[tesla_power]

I disagree that this is what Floyd meant when he said that TS. IMO, it is trash talk nothing more. But great analysis.

[jpunieves]

great analysis

so when will floyd start retiring again and let these other one dimensional fighters rule the ring and KTFO other fighters?

[ADP02]

This isnt a disrespect to pac, Pacs legacy is currently ahead of floyds. If you know me, im not a hater, i have respected and followed pac longer than alot of you likely reading this thread


. But when he says one demensional, i know what he means. Pacs diversity and angles are almost entirely offensive, and most of them come from when an opponent is stationary and attempting to trade. Alot of what he does works when an opponent is standing in front of him. For example, cotto was on the move, and jabbing, pac did absolutely nothing. All of the angles, diversity and his fantastic right hand are only effective if you are standing front of him either waiting for it or in the middle of an exchange. You take that away, and you can see floyds point.

Think about this. A guy like floyd who can take you inside, outside, move and throws every punch in the book, is extremely diverse. People keep talking about the shoulder roll like its his only defense, this guy gives you a different look practically every round. Also, people talk about pacs "improved defense", im not really seeing that. What i see is a grade A chin and a mountain of punch resistence. What i also see is cotto, moved, jabbed, even when he had nothing, still snapped pacs head back, technicians like floyd see that stuff a mile away. Cotto also connected with looping arm punches that had no buisness connecting. Mayweather can also take the fight inside and he needs virtually no room to punch, ive yet to see pac in a phonebooth.

Another thing that has to be noted. When pac moves his head to the right, the left hand over the top comes in every single time, cotto actually took a step back and threw a straight and stopped him in his tracks.

Floyd is not going to do what cotto did which is stand in front of him and attempt to impose his will. If pac wants to have any chance against floyd, they have to prepare him for floyd to be on the move. Frankly this is a very difficult fight for pac. Ive already seen floyd adjust midfight countless times. If you are looking to the judah fight for success, dont, if thats the case, ill look to the morales fight. Both floyd and pac are improved from that time, however its pacs chin and his outstanding power that have carried him this far. also his quickness.

Remember this also, floyd has a tendency to make fighters very wary of his accuracy which completely drops their punch output. Its not going to be a wipeout on either side.

In the Mosley fight, I was happy to see Floyd try to be a bit more offensive and show another defensive style.....bad thing is that Manny/Roach has now time to analyse this other style.

Possibly, Floyd will not move like El Jesus states in the early rounds (especially) and fight like he did in the Mosley fight to see what Manny is all about and see if Manny can fight going backwards. Possibly, Floyd can use his size advantage. If Manny does not buckle ala an old Mosley, then Floyd will probably revert to, his usual, more defensive position.

One of several weapons that Manny has that can trouble Floyd is that he is a southpaw. Against Zab, one can never really say that Floyd was able to stop Zab's left. It was that Zab just didn't throw it as much in the 2nd half of the fight. One can say, it was a combination of Floyd's effective counter punching that slowed the already slow work rate of Zab AND that Zab got tired and just slowed down in the 2nd half of the fight. Well, we all know that Zab has been prone to slow down his workrate as the fight goes on but I can say it was a bit of both. Still, even in the later rounds, when Zab would pull the trigger, Floyd got hit!

So what if Floyd can't slow Manny down? This leads me to the next point.....

Who will be able to get respect? This is the most important factor and hardest to know.


Floyd is a good defensive minded boxer who likes to play chess with you but if you notice, he does not prefer to play Kasparov type chess. Floyd prefers to play more of a 1, 2 (maybe 3?) move chess game while a true chess player thinks 5 and more moves ahead. Many of Floyd's opponents were brought down to that 1-2 move chess game. If Floyd can get enough respect with his defensive work and counter punching then he should win by reducing Manny's work rate to that comfortable 1-2 move chess game. If Manny can manage to break thru and go full press then it will be a Manny advantage and he will probably win because he has the stamina to do it for 12 rounds.

- Castillo was able to get thru this 1-2 chess move and that gave Floyd big trouble.
- Hatton managed to get thru too but didn't have the weapons to do it.
- Delahoya partially did early too but at his age, wasn't as effective at pulling the trigger and lost the stamina(got tired) to do it consistently for 12 rounds..... once tired it was that 1-2 chess match.

Manny will be missing the Castillo/Delahoya size advantage unfortunately but Manny has the weapons that Hatton didn't have. If you add that southpaw stance, Manny has the chance to do get thru Floyd's defense.

Yes movement such as Cotto will definitely help Floyd. Still just looking at the fight, it was a point where Manny was winning by such a wide margin that one can't say if Manny really can or can't cut the ring..... plus did that make Cotto win rounds or even survive?

It's true that Floyd will need to use or at least observe what was effective in the Manny vs Morales I and II and Marquez fights. The difference is that Floyd does not do what Morales and Marquez does when Manny comes in with more than 1-2 (chess match) combinations. Morales and Marquez fought back! Floyd's instinct/tendency is to go defensive.