Roy Jones Jr and his "Greatness" ???

[Neuraxis]

Girrin wasnt knocked down by a illegal punch jones hurt griffin. Then went to follow up i am watching the fight right now. And grifin took a knee but before the knee jones landed Then jones ( on purpose Hit griffin once he was already down). Now lets not for the the shoulder bump then left hook that griffin cheap shoted with. Griffin gave jones problems but Jones was on his way to knocking him out i dont give a care what u haters think. I know the facts. i a prime roy jones jr was fast. he would of picked DM apart with his Hand speed pop shoting from the outside. And you act like the rematch doesnt matter. this is pathic, If jones would have beat tarver via ko. All these people would be down talking tarver like he was some bum. People say he avoided bernard hopkins thats why roy told merchant he would go down to 168 and fight tito and bernard. DM THIS dm was garbage prime vs pime lights out dm. i dont even know why i post at such a noob forum witm thick headed people. Matter of fact forget this forum private is the way to post about boxing.

Also guys dont forget the person who is hating has Griffin in his avatar that says a hole lot. When u post about a fighters skills/talent u must look at it from a professional view not a hater or a nuthugger.

Wait so according to you its legal to hit someone in the back of the head? That's news to me.

[Neuraxis]

Yea that is true about Neuraxis i think he just has a grudge against Jones, maybe he should be angry with Wlad's chin or the fact that his homeboys dress up as cartons of orange juice when its time for an election.

So I'm not allowed to be a fan of Griffin now? Griffin get's no respect. Its pretty shameful how he is treated.

[Neuraxis]

Girrin wasnt knocked down by a illegal punch jones hurt griffin. Then went to follow up i am watching the fight right now. And grifin took a knee but before the knee jones landed Then jones ( on purpose Hit griffin once he was already down). Now lets not for the the shoulder bump then left hook that griffin cheap shoted with. Griffin gave jones problems but Jones was on his way to knocking him out i dont give a care what u haters think. I know the facts. i a prime roy jones jr was fast. he would of picked DM apart with his Hand speed pop shoting from the outside. And you act like the rematch doesnt matter. this is pathic, If jones would have beat tarver via ko. All these people would be down talking tarver like he was some bum. People say he avoided bernard hopkins thats why roy told merchant he would go down to 168 and fight tito and bernard. DM THIS dm was garbage prime vs pime lights out dm. i dont even know why i post at such a noob forum witm thick headed people. Matter of fact forget this forum private is the way to post about boxing.

Also guys dont forget the person who is hating has Griffin in his avatar that says a hole lot. When u post about a fighters skills/talent u must look at it from a professional view not a hater or a nuthugger.

I don't see how I am hating. Hating is saying crap like you just posted with no evidence or reasoning to back it up. The fact that you call DM garbage just basically shows who the noob is. You are nothing more than a shameless Jones fanboy who won't allow differing opinions.

[K-Yo]

Is garabe german?

[Super_Lightweight]

lol

If you reread my post, I said that fact that each fighter finished off the other's leftovers means little. I didn't give props to DM while snubbing RJJ over this. DM finished off Griffin during his first try in 4 rounds. Roy didn't finish him off during their first fight, and he got DQ'd trying to do so. Right on the scoring which is why I don't know why so many of you persecute Universum. Perhaps Sauderland (SP?) and Universum are different. I can't think of any unfair Universum decisions off the top of my head like I easily can for Sauderland. DM like Hopkins was a slow starter, and I had it 2 rounds to 1 in the Griffin fight with Griffin on his way to losing the 4th big time. DM finished off Hall 9 seconds before RJJ did, and then in the rematch he TKO'd him in 10 rounds. I missed where you "exposed" me.

I just read your post, and read it carefully, and it definitely does not say that the leftovers mean little. In any case, yes, you are "exposed" in your argument that Roy's win over Hill means little, if that is what you are saying (unless you are going to backtrack again). Roy KO'd him with one shot and Hill went on to be cruiserweight champion.

One example of fair-scoring does not indicate all his fights were without controversy. One of the Hall fights definitely had controversy as many who watched the fight felt DM could have been stopped by the same token that Hall was later in the fight. Also in regards to Hall, 9 secs faster...are you kidding me? Are you actually serious? Why say that if you think it means nothing? After all, Roy ha TKO'd him in 11 before DM did it. Also, you cannot simply say DM stopped Hall earlier than RJ did in the 2nd fight in round 10, because Hall had just been in a tough fight with DM and before that was TKO'd by Roy himself.

You say Roy didn't finsih him off (Griffin). Again you are getting exposed because you never put things into context. Roy was definitely going to KO him, and if you say anything less, you are a "fanboy" yourself. Since you seem so unable to give Roy credit for anything, can you tell me why it took DM 4 rounds to take out Griffin after Roy had already done so in 1 round?

You say you don't snub RJJ, but that's exactly what you do when you never pu things into context and only mention things in a way that seem to favor DM. Anyone can do that...

[Neuraxis]

I just read your post, and read it carefully, and it definitely does not say that the leftovers mean little. In any case, yes, you are "exposed" in your argument that Roy's win over Hill means little, if that is what you are saying (unless you are going to backtrack again). Roy KO'd him with one shot and Hill went on to be cruiserweight champion.

One example of fair-scoring does not indicate all his fights were without controversy. One of the Hall fights definitely had controversy as many who watched the fight felt DM could have been stopped by the same token that Hall was later in the fight. Also in regards to Hall, 9 secs faster...are you kidding me? Are you actually serious? Why say that if you think it means nothing? After all, Roy ha TKO'd him in 11 before DM did it. Also, you cannot simply say DM stopped Hall earlier than RJ did in the 2nd fight in round 10, because Hall had just been in a tough fight with DM and before that was TKO'd by Roy himself.

You say Roy didn't finsih him off (Griffin). Again you are getting exposed because you never put things into context. Roy was definitely going to KO him, and if you say anything less, you are a "fanboy" yourself. Since you seem so unable to give Roy credit for anything, can you tell me why it took DM 4 rounds to take out Griffin after Roy had already done so in 1 round?

You say you don't snub RJJ, but that's exactly what you do when you never pu things into context and only mention things in a way that seem to favor DM. Anyone can do that...

In terms of arguing who is better beating leftovers means little. If you are going to rant and rave about RJJ KOing Hill in his next fight after getting destroyed by DM, then I am going to have to bring up DM being the first to KO Harmon which Jones couldn't do. The last time I checked the judges were never involved in stopping the Hall fight. You may have some inside information that I don't have, but I wasn't aware that judges stop fights. DM was winning that fight as well so the stoppage didn't matter. DM dominated Hall in the rematch, so I'm not sure why you would expect them to stop it, also when it didn't even go as long as the first match. And the last time I checked Hall had nearly a year to recover from that first fight, while DM fought again in 4 months. Reread my posts, I never said that RJJ wasn't going to be able to stop Griffin had the fight continued. Again you need to reread my post with regards to who I think would win if you think that I can't give RJJ credit for anything. And the last time I checked I give RJJ loads more credit than you and the other RJJ fans give DM.

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Saying that someone would be ahead after an illegal KD is not going to cut it. True about Hill, but he was a DM leftover, and every RJJ leftover that DM fought besides Gonzalez, DM finished them (Hall, Harmon, Griffin) off quicker than RJJ could, so I'm not sure how much that means.

No DM did not fight anyone like RJJ, but I'm not saying that it would be a one sided fight either like the naive RJJ fanboys are saying. I am simply giving the nod to power when said power is strong enough to stun badly with a simple jab.

list of common opposition (for what it matters... but, as you see, it's simply not true that hall, harmon, griffin were put away quicker)


hill
dm ud12 (97)
rj ko4 (98)

griffin
rj L dq9 (97)
ko1 (97)
dm tk4 (99)

hall
rj tk11 (00)
dm tk11 (01)
tk10 (02)

harmon
rj tk11 (01)
dm ko9 (03)

gonzalez
rj ud12 (01)
dm L sd12 (03)

anyway I still the think the fight would be one-sided, but more than anyhing else, boring, rj would get the most boring decision of his career cos he would never take anything close to a risk for the whole fight, he would maybe even win every round by moving moving moving... pot shotting here and there, but mostly just running, a boring fight but running was something rj could do very well.

dm's style is a style which would not be the easiest for rj, but one you can easily train for. how the hell would dm train for a prime jones? hell he should have got mosley as a sparring partner (only for a few rounds as he would decapitate shane as he hits him)

Now from what I have seen of dm (hill and griffin, and I assume that the hill fight took place in dm prime) I don't think that dm's workrate, movement and speed would prevent rj from dancing around and maybe buffooning sometimes, what I think is that dm's power would prevent him from ever being offensive. Would rj win the fight? yes. would he win it style? definitely no.

of course these are my opinions, you are entitled to yours.

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oops I left this post open and I realized the question has already been debated

[Neuraxis]

list of common opposition (for what it matters... but, as you see, it's simply not true that hall, harmon, griffin were put away quicker)


hill
dm ud12 (97)
rj ko4 (98)

griffin
rj L dq9 (97)
ko1 (97)
dm tk4 (99)

hall
rj tk11 (00)
dm tk11 (01)
tk10 (02)

harmon
rj tk11 (01)
dm ko9 (03)

gonzalez
rj ud12 (01)
dm L sd12 (03)

anyway I still the think the fight would be one-sided, but more than anyhing else, boring, rj would get the most boring decision of his career cos he would never take anything close to a risk for the whole fight, he would maybe even win every round by moving moving moving... pot shotting here and there, but mostly just running, a boring fight but running was something rj could do very well.

dm's style is a style which would not be the easiest for rj, but one you can easily train for. how the hell would dm train for a prime jones? hell he should have got mosley as a sparring partner (only for a few rounds as he would decapitate shane as he hits him)

Now from what I have seen of dm (hill and griffin, and I assume that the hill fight took place in dm prime) I don't think that dm's workrate, movement and speed would prevent rj from dancing around and maybe buffooning sometimes, what I think is that dm's power would prevent him from ever being offensive. Would rj win the fight? yes. would he win it style? definitely no.

of course these are my opinions, you are entitled to yours.

I'm not sure what you were getting at with the first part of your post, but I have no problem with your analysis of the fight because its thought out and it isn't filled with random crap like RJJ would stop DM. I could maybe even see Roy dancing all night like you say. But I also think that in order to do that he would have to be in the best shape of his career and that he wouldn't be able to let his pride get in the way by fighting like that which I'm not sure he would be able to do. If Roy isn't in tip top shape I could see the fight playing out very similar to Freitas vs. Corrales except I don't think Roy would quit.

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If Roy isn't in tip top shape I could see the fight playing out very similar to Freitas vs. Corrales except I don't think Roy would quit.

hehe if rj got hit flush, he would go down for the count, he would not even have the option of quitting

ppl saw rj destroy some fighters, and think he can do the same with ANY fighter... I personally think that by making him a god they are downplaying his achievements