HOLYFIELD beats Usyk at Cruiser or HW.

[Citizen Koba]

Be a great fight. Anyone who thinks there's a obvious winner either way is deluding themselves. I'm edging to Usyk.

[Bennyleonard99]

Can you prove they can't ?!?!?

Usyk and Marciano are the only two heavyweight champions to achieve perfect careers. Both are amazing athletes and above and beyond the rest. Perfection in boxing is impossible unless it's rigged like Floyd and Haymon did it.

[TheProudLunatic]

Usyk and Marciano are the only two heavyweight champions to achieve perfect careers. Both are amazing athletes and above and beyond the rest. Perfection in boxing is impossible unless it's rigged like Floyd and Haymon did it.

What the fck does any of that prove ????
I know
Some guys have a career filled with subpar opps while others face real opps.
Bowe murders everyone Marciano fought AND Rocky himself.

"Can you prove....."

[TheProudLunatic]

These ppl are saying anything. The people are so quick to crown a king and fall in line. Its crazy. Their might be a hidden agenda because usyk was beating up on British fighters and now they want to use him to put down former American heavyweights just because boxing isn't big in America no more. When we ran the table alot of people were quite.

I see what this is.

I'm a Usyk fan who is starting to reconsider

[The Big Dunn]

What the fck does any of that prove ????
I know
Some guys have a career filled with subpar opps while others face real opps.
Bowe murders everyone Marciano fought AND Rocky himself.

"Can you prove....."

You’re missing his point.

Perfection is great unless it’s achieved by someone black he doesn’t like.

He doesn’t care about resume. He cares about race and political beliefs.

[TheProudLunatic]

You’re missing his point.

Perfection is great unless it’s achieved by someone black he doesn’t like.

He doesn’t care about resume. He cares about race and political beliefs.

Becoming Top 5 worst fan base, regardless of sport

[TheProudLunatic]

First it was Fury who was Alis superior
Now Usyk.....

All a true fight fan can do is shake their heads in disbelief

[joseph5620]

Usyk and Marciano are the only two heavyweight champions to achieve perfect careers. Both are amazing athletes and above and beyond the rest. Perfection in boxing is impossible unless it's rigged like Floyd and Haymon did it.

Another racist boxing fan. Surprise, Surprise

[Bennyleonard99]

Another racist boxing fan. Surprise, Surprise

Where is the lie? Marciano and Usyk were perfect. Fraudweather brags that being a coward is what made him rich in boxing.

[ONOFF]

What is the best version of Oleksandr Uysk? The version that fought Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury or Daniel Dubois. I personally think it was the version that fought Joshua I & II. During those fights, Usyk's work rate was higher than all of his other heavyweight fights, and skill for skill he was competing against a solid version of Anthony Joshua'.

Now, similarly? What is the best version Evander Holyfield? The versions of Holyfield who fought Rid**** Bowe I & II, Mike Tyson I & II, Buster Douglas, George Foreman, or Lennox Lewis I & II? I would rate the best version of Evander Holyfield to be in his second fight vs Rid**** Bowe II'.

People must now go away and watched Oleksandr Uysk vs Anthony Joshua I & II, and then Evander Holyfield vs Rid**** Bowe I & II 'And be honest, which fighter do you think looks more impressive and was tested more during their battles'.

Note: Oleksandr Uysk has never been involved in a high level fight 'anywhere near the standard of Evander Holyfield vs Rid**** Bowe I, II and even III. Because modern day super heavyweight fighters struggle to fight on the inside, most of them have zero inside game'.

Rid**** Bowe threw over 700 + punches in his first fight vs Evander Holyfield 'With Holyfield throwing 500 + punches. And during the second fight, Rid**** Bowe again threw over 700+ punches, with Evander Holyfield too throwing over 500 + punches'.

A big strength and advantage which Oleksandr Uysk has used vs modern day Super heavyweight fighters is his work rate and endurance 'One of the major reasons why Oleksandr Uysk beat Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Daniel Dubois. Was because they could not compete with his endurance levels, especially Daniel Dubois'.

In recent years the highest work rate Oleksandr Uysk has produced during a top level fight 'Was during his rematch vs Anthony Joshua II. Oleksandr Uysk threw over 700 + punches. In all of his other fights vs Tyson Fury I & II? Uysk was producing a similar work rate to Evander Holyfield at his peak'.

Oleksandr Uysk skill for skill was not on another level to ether Tyson Fury or Anthony Joshua 'They could both land punches, and win rounds vs Uysk. But over the entire duration of a distance fights, their ability to maintain that level of performance decreased more compared to Oleksandr Uysk'.

First and foremost 'That situation does not happen vs a peak version of Evander Holyfield. The statistics of his greatest fights show this very clearly? That he has a tremendous level of endurance'.

So if Oleksandr Uysk does not have that attribute over his competitors 'Where is he actually superior to Evander Holyfield? Does Uysk have a better inside game? No. Does hit with more power? No. Does Uysk have more proven and better durability at heavyweight? No. Is Oleksandr Uysk skill for skill a better boxer? It is close, I don't think it is very clear'.

Evander Holyfield at his absolute peak as a Heavyweight fighter 'Beats down Oleksandr Uysk over the distance in my opinion. I don't think Uysk has the single punch power to stop Holyfield in his tracks, and skill for skill? Oleksandr Uysk has never been miles better than his nearest competitors. Every single fighter at top level he has fought, wins rounds against him. Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua, Derek Chisora and even Daniel Dubois were all able to win rounds vs Oleksandr Uysk'.

So whoever people want to match vs Oleksandr Uysk head to head 'Whether that is Muhammad Ali, Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, George Foreman, Wladimir Kiltschko or Larry Holmes'.

Those great past fighters are most likely all landing punches against him, and they will all have the ability to win rounds 'So where actually is Oleksandr Uysk going to out compete those fighters? What is the big attribute which enables him to blow those other past great heavyweights out of the water?'.

To conclude: Seriously people need to calm down 'If Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Derek Chisora fighters all outside of their peak when they fought Uysk. They were all able to win rounds, and even bust Uysk up real good. Go and look at the pictures of Oleksandr Uysk after he fought both Joshua and Chisora. Oleksandr Uysk was battered and sustained heavy structural damage'.

Derek Chisora was already miles outside of his peak when he fought Oleksandr Uysk 'And he pushed Uysk right to the line in that fight. Again? If people want match Uysk head to head with all of the other past great heavyweight fighters, this is the evidence which people use to compare fighters'.

David Haye who I believe as a Cruiserweight fighter at his peak was a better, more brutal and dangerous fighter than Oleksandr Uysk 'In 2012 David Haye fought Derek Chisora at his absolute peak. David Haye weighing in at 210 pounds vs Derek Chisora 247 pounds. Haye became the first fighter to meet force with force and cancel out Chisora's momentum, being the first fighter to not only deck but knock out Chisora at his near peak as a fighter. Derek Chisora after this fight, would not be decked or knocked out for another 7 years almost. Chisora fought 18 more times, before eventually being legitimately knocked out again by Dillian Whyte in their rematch'.

I get it? Oleksandr Uysk is the man in the moment right now 'He is the most accomplished boxer currently in the entire sport. And I do personally rate him as pound for pound best fighter in the world'.

But head to head, the reality is? Oleksandr Uysk is not a terrifying or a formidable fighter 'He has benefited from the opportune time he entered into the heavyweight Division. But still what he has achieved was monumental'.

I honestly believe that at their peak both David Haye and Evander Holyfield would beat Oleksandr Uysk 'Haye would beat Uysk both at Cruiserweight and Heavyweight. The weight limit for the Cruiserweight Division during Evander Holyfield's era was 190 pounds so? Really making that comparison is not that relevant. But for sure as Heavyweight fighter Evander Holyfield skill for skill competed during a more brutal and superior boxing era' etc.

Haye’? That’s the best you could come up with to prove your point? The guy who pulled out of two scheduled fights against Fury back in 2013? The same guy who got knocked down several times by Bellew? (And even got dropped by Mormeck?)

He was all over the place against Wlad Klitschko (in a bad way), even admitted Wlad was better than him. Klitschko himself was pretty one-dimensional compared to Usyk’s approach to boxing. So ok...Prime Wlad had the size, the skill, the power, and arguably a better jab than Larry Holmes. But he was way too cautious. Almost never improvised on the fly...His whole game was about sticking to a strict plan, dominating with the jab, then timing the right hand.

You ever watch that dreadful fight he had against Povetkin? The one where he was excessively clinching and holding the entire time? (Come to think of it, that was also, originally, a part of Fury’s plan against Usyk. But that kind of stuff doesn’t work when your target is moving non-stop for 12 rounds.)


As for Bowe vs Holyfield... "Disappointed" is the first word that comes to mind. Exciting fights, but disappointed by Holyfield, of course, since he clearly had dreadful game plans against an overrated big man like Ridd@ck Bowe. (Let’s not forget, Bowe had terrible conditioning and struggled against Golota on two separate occasions. Andrew was undeniably winning on the scorecards in both of their fights before being disqualified. Golota himself had decent mobility and powerful punches but was nowhere near as mobile as a Tyson Fury, and was mediocre at best compared to other big guys like Joshua, Lennox, Vitali and even Pulev etc.)