Ok i skipped that part..
I'll mention a few but the fact remains, you have several generations of boxers who simply couldn't participate in pro-boxing. Today's reality is that boxing is vastly more diversified than it ever was several decades ago. Not because all the best fled to...
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But you're only pretending to be objective, aren't you? Otherwise, you wouldn't be moving the goalposts or making excuses to explain why Americans aren't dominating anymore. (Obviously the NFL doesn't count since no one else in the world plays it seriously.) Furthermore, FIBA vs NBA are moot points....
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Correct! The NFL... the one major league that's culturally and structurally American-only. (no one else plays it). Kind of like the '80s and '90s, when Eastern Europeans were banned from participating in pro boxing, and Americans still called themselves "champions of the world."
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Haye’? That’s the best you could come up with to prove your point? The guy who pulled out of two scheduled fights against Fury back in 2013? The same guy who got knocked down several times by Bellew? (And even got dropped by Mormeck?)
He was all over the place against Wlad Klitschko...
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The U.S. is no longer the default capital of sports excellence, the world got better, while America stayed insular. Whether it’s boxing, tennis, MMA or basketball, success now goes to countries with better development systems, and deeper hunger. Again, The NFL is the one major league that's culturally,...Last edited by ONOFF; 07-27-2025, 09:23 PM.
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"Not credible," yet you're seething. You ‘stopped reading,’ but somehow still replied...remarkable multitasking for someone allegedly above it all. You dodged every point, yet claim victory like a fighter who refused to show up, then bragged about winning by walkover. That’s...
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And... again—we're supposed to believe Usyk's cruiserweight career was hot garbage compared to Holyfield's, even though the cruiserweight division was only created in 1979, was still in its infancy during Holyfield's run, and was largely cut off from elite talent behind the Iron Curtain. To claim...
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Misinformed... Right...So much irony...
Both Lennox and Bowe were owned by Alexander Miroshnichenko in the amateurs—another Eastern European whose pro career was ruined thanks to Soviet bloc boxers being banned from turning professional. Bowe had two losses, back to back, against...shwaap likes this.
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Tua had an irrelevant amateur career and stood only 178 cm tall. He was one of Lewis’s easiest opponents..Lennox simply kept him at bay with his jab (much like he did against Tyson). Throughout his career, Tua struggled against the few noteworthy opponents he faced, such as Chris Byrd, Rahman,...Last edited by ONOFF; 07-27-2025, 03:33 PM.
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When it comes to pro boxing, “better” competition has always meant matches being skewed, rigged, or outright “Americanized”—especially back when fighters from the former Soviet bloc weren’t even allowed to participate. This has been the trend across all weight classes,...
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Could Muhammad Ali have beaten fighters like Lennox Lewis, Usyk, the Klitschko brothers, Tyson Fury, Mike Tyson, or Holyfield? The honest answer is ?...We don’t know. Let’s take it further: could Ali have defeated the gatekeepers of any era? Fighters like Chisora, Brewster, Povetkin, Tua,...
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As I already said above, nostalgia is a seductive liar...but anyone with a shred of honesty must admit that it's easy to dismiss any boxing era. I don't think it's cliché to say that the most effective lies are the ones we tell ourselves. Knowing this, I see no rationale for exclusively dismissing...
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On the contrary, the HW division of the 1980s and 1990s is highly overrated—mainly because Americans held a near-monopoly on it, as much of the international competition was banned from participating. During the Cold War, boxers from the Soviet Union, Eastern Bloc, Cuba, and other communist-aligned...
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So what happened ? Where are american HWs at ? Well, they're still here. it's just that the talent pool is way more diverse today. Oh! and bigger sponsors!(way more money) Boxing sponsorships today are considerably bigger and more diverse than in the 1990s. But the argument, the excuse is that all...
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Is the era considered weak just because there are no dominant American heavyweights? What’s so inherently special about American heavyweights, anyway? And where have those legendary American HWs gone? MMA? The NBA? The NFL?
Take a look at the NBA. Who's currently the best player?...
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It's easy to dismiss today's talent pool, but we could just as easily do the same for every era.
George Foreman holds the record as the oldest heavyweight boxing champion in history. His comeback is one of the most remarkable in boxing, especially considering he had been retired for a decade...Last edited by ONOFF; 07-22-2025, 08:59 AM.
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