Who is greater all time: Floyd or Usyk?

[IceTrayDaGang]

Everyone already thinks he is great.

Lessening Floyd is the ridiculous threads guys like him create always asking if someone is better than Floyd. Never any other boxer.

Then there was the Ali question where at least the TS was honest that his reasoning wasn’t resume based but race and politics. That isn’t how the better boxer should be determined.

Not that dishonest silliness again.

There are plenty. You don’t know because you aren’t a knowledgeable fan. There are also plenty of boxers to ask about.

Great question would be who is better Usyk or Loma? Both from same era. Both from same country. Both great boxers.

Just won’t spark a race war or signal to those that hate a specific boxer. So guys like the TS will not ask it.

there's not plenty... who are Great... there's plenty of HWs of european descent. but we are talking about greats here... US has the most so it's fair to compared him to some of the great US HWs, since US sets the standard.. it's like if you have a great chinese basketball player, you are not gonna compared him with other great chinese basketball players of the past, you want to compared him with past NBA players to gage how great he really is.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Asked and answered.

Not levels. It’s like the difference between say Kareem and Duncan. Both ATG but the resume is clearly better

nah, they are pretty much equal in their own rights..

[The Big Dunn]

there's not plenty... who are Great... there's plenty of HWs of european descent. but we are talking about greats here... US has the most so it's fair to compared him to some of the great US HWs, since US sets the standard.. it's like if you have a great chinese basketball player, you are not gonna compared him with other great chinese basketball players of the past, you want to compared him with past NBA players to gage how great he really is.

Fine. So it should be an easy question to answer.

ok so start somewhere in the middle where the discussion is more reasonable. Like Holyfield.

Both former cruisers. Both ATGs in 2 divisions.

But Ali? Come on that is ridiculous.

You know how I know this? The same guys that will vote Usyk will tell you when asking if say Floyd is the ATG ww, will say how can he be given he fought only a portion of his career at ww while guys like Leonard and SRR fought the majority of their careers there?

That is the same logic most people have used here. So what is it really about?

Stop it. No one compares Yao and Kareem. They use Shaq because they played against each other.

No one is asking is Yao better than Kareem, Russel or wilt.

[The Big Dunn]

nah, they are pretty much equal in their own rights..

No they are not. At least not resume based.

Don’t leave out and duck the most important part of the post-

Great question would be who is better Usyk or Loma? Both from same era. Both from same country. Both great boxers.

Just won’t spark a race war or signal to those that hate a specific boxer. So guys like the TS will not ask it.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Fine. So it should be an easy question to answer.

ok so start somewhere in the middle where the discussion is more reasonable. Like Holyfield.

Both former cruisers. Both ATGs in 2 divisions.

But Ali? Come on that is ridiculous.

You know how I know this? The same guys that will vote Usyk will tell you when asking if say Floyd is the ATG ww, will say how can he be given he fought only a portion of his career at ww while guys like Leonard and SRR fought the majority of their careers there?

That is the same logic most people have used here. So what is it really about?

Stop it. No one compares Yao and Kareem. They use Shaq because they played against each other.

No one is asking is Yao better than Kareem, Russel or wilt.

i dont think it's ridiculous to compared him to Ali (dude has 5 L's).. Holyfield aint really all that great, plus, holyfield has been accused of being on peds (you even made this accusation yourself).. this is probably why you feel it's ok to compared Usyk to holyfield. just being honest here.

[The Big Dunn]

i dont think it's ridiculous to compared him to Ali (dude has 5 L's).. Holyfield aint really all that great, plus, holyfield has been accused of being on peds (you even made this accusation yourself).. this is probably why you feel it's ok to compared Usyk to holyfield. just being honest here.

Using that logic we shouldn’t compare Manny to Floyd. Of course you don’t think that.

I have joked about Evan fields yes. He is still an ATG.

That is dumb AF.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Using that logic we shouldn’t compare Manny to Floyd. Of course you don’t think that.

I have joked about Evan fields yes. He is still an ATG.

That is dumb AF.

you are entitled to your own opinion, but if we are going with your logic since you brought up Manny/Floyd, then that means Usyk is better than Ali since Usyk is undefeated? and we shouldnt even compared him to Ali??

yes, Holyfield has ped accusation, you said it yourself, so it's not really fair to compare Usyk to him unless Usyk later down the line has ped accusation. Because with holyfield, we dont know if he was clean in some of his fights and which ones and since he has ped accusation, we cant really give him 100% credit for all the fights he's won. this is why i said it's not a good comparison and this is probably why you brought up holyfield, because if I said Usyk is better than holyfield, then i know you wouldnt have any issue with this because of the reasons i just explained above.

[Elastic Recoilz]

Usyk. Floyd moved up in weight and became a defensive fighter while ducking serious threats like Thurman. Usyk moved up in weight against fighters holding significant physical advantages over him and he was walking them down. Floyd has never been undisputed in any weight classes and has without doubt been on substances.

[djtmal]

Asked and answered.

Not levels. It’s like the difference between say Kareem and Duncan. Both ATG but Kareem’s resume is better, which is why he is ranked higher.

Using resume? No because again Floyd had as many title fights as Usyk has fights.

I am sure if the resumes were switched this question wouldn’t be considered.

That stated, it’s always Floyd being compared. Why not anyone else? Are there no other ATG’s you guys care about?

I don't get it why can't they just compare the two and whoever comes out on top that is what it is

Maybe because Floyd is getting spanked in the polls?

[The Big Dunn]

you are entitled to your own opinion, but if we are going with your logic since you brought up Manny/Floyd, then that means Usyk is better than Ali since Usyk is undefeated? and we shouldnt even compared him to Ali??

yes, Holyfield has ped accusation, you said it yourself, so it's not really fair to compare Usyk to him unless Usyk later down the line has ped accusation. Because with holyfield, we dont know if he was clean in some of his fights and which ones and since he has ped accusation, we cant really give him 100% credit for all the fights he's won. this is why i said it's not a good comparison and this is probably why you brought up holyfield, because if I said Usyk is better than holyfield, then i know you wouldnt have any issue with this because of the reasons i just explained above.

I didn’t use any logic. I took what you stated and applied it to Floyd v Manny to show you’re full of BS when you suggest it.

Floyd beat Manny. Usyk didn’t beat Ali. That is the other reason the comparisons make no sense to many.

You never used PED accusations or use to not make a comparison so I am not giving this any validity here. You appear to be desperately reaching for something just to argue.

Usyk and Holyfield is a comparison between 2 ATGs with similar histories. A good discussion/