Sorry Ali fans, Usyk has replaced him as “The Greatest” Heavyweight.

[TheProudLunatic]

What great fighters has Usyk he beat ?

I mean, the reason why great fighters get called that is because they have beaten other greats. So the floor is yours

If I may chime in....

A guy can't fight who isn't there.
And there are no great HWs in this era.
That aspect cannot be a fault of Usyk.
To say he is the best ever HW is a few light years from the truth.

[Rad]

Boxing has not evolved at all

Boxing training is -

1. Jogging
2. Jumping Rope
3. Lifting Weights
4. Bag Work
5. Sparring
6. Sometimes Cycling and Rowing Machines
7. Swimming

That's boxing training, and all those have been around for over 100 years.

So Canelo, Inoue, Usyk or Crawford are all doing the same stuff Ray Robinson and Marciano did.

If we look at the act of punching each other in the face and make a similar graph as we might for baseball or soccer, the entire time that those sports have existed would look like a speck next to the entire time we have been punching each other in the face.

So fighting in unarmed combat is a primitive sport that doesn't rely on the stuff you think it does, and won't evolve in the same was as other sports.

Sure - Modern fighters have the advantages of modern medicine and nutritional knowledge, but that's it.

Fighters in the past were part of a deeper talent pool, worked harder, were more active as fighters, was much harder to get a title shot coz of one champ per division and were required to have higher conditioning. These days, despite the advances of medicine and science, fighters at the elite level get away with fighting very few times a year, and probably 1/10 of them actually maintains fighting shape year round.

The talent pool disparity is a huge factor. There are fewer fighters, fewer trainers, less truly knowledgeable trainers, and less competition.

It doesn't take a scientist to determine from that alone, that a smaller talent pool means it takes less to make it to the top, and it takes less to succeed at all levels

Technique, strength and conditioning methods, nutrition, recovery science, supplements are all light years ahead of what it was 60 years ago. Don’t be silly.

[Pete_The_Man]

The fact you’re claiming that the low blow by Dubois was legal already lets everyone know that you’re a disingenuous liar who pretends to not know the rules of boxing and isn’t worth anybody’s time.

Your post is pure fanboytism and nonsense. Liston wasn’t close to prime he was already an old alcoholic. Ali LOST to Frazier and Norton, he is not as skilled as Usyk, as good defensively or as strong physically. More stamina? Punch stats say otherwise. And tonight was not Usyk’s first schooling of a real HW, his wins over Fury was better.

I’m just not on the hype train for Usyk but his style is something new to heavyweights. Also his endurance is off the charts. Far beyond any other heavy weight. He’s redefined what being in shape means.

His endurance is good in this era, but who's he up against?

AJ is notorious for having bad stamina, Fury is a 270lb blubbersauraus who pretty much kept pace with Usyk, although he got a bit tired at the end. DDD is a guy spits the dummy out, if can't hit you.

Usyk's greatest attribute might be his discipline and fitness which yes, does put him above the other heavyweights of this era because their discipline and fitness suck.

I checked Usyk vs Joshua 1 because I believe that was the fight where Usyk showed the most activity and fitness, he threw 529 punches in that fight

I just picked a random Lennox Lewis fight that went 12 rounds, Holyfield 1. Lewis threw 613 punches in that fight.

Holyfield vs Foreman 584 punches

Klitschko threw 509 punches vs David Haye

Usyk;s work rate historically isn't anything special, it just seems that way against slow, low output plodders who average 25 punches a round who we have now.

[Szef]

He has a case to be the the best HW ever. I don't personally think he is, i think Ali and Louis are above him but to deny that he's in the conversation is just plain ****** at this point.

We are witnessing something special for sure

[TheProudLunatic]

He has a case to be the the best HW ever. I don't personally think he is, i think Ali and Louis are above him but to deny that he's in the conversation is just plain ****** at this point.

We are witnessing something special for sure

It's all about the resume and how it stacks up with other resumes.

[Haka]

It seems those in the 60 and 70s never lost a fight hard to compete with that.

[TheProudLunatic]

It seems those in the 60 and 70s never lost a fight hard to compete with that.

Which HW form this era will be remembered 3 years from now ?!?!?!?

Edit -
Besides Usyk, AJ and Fury

[Gary Coleman]

Wtf is going on in here?

Lennox Lewis would batter Usyk.

[Haka]

Which HW form this era will be remembered 3 years from now ?!?!?!?

Edit -
Besides Usyk, AJ and Fury

Not sure I do know Joe Schmoe from the 70s was a real menace that it will never get topped anyhow.

[TheProudLunatic]

Not sure I do know Joe Schmoe from the 70s was a real menace that it will never get topped anyhow.

How far back does your fandom go ???

Me and my questions, doe !!!!