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Sorry Ali fans, Usyk has replaced him as “The Greatest” Heavyweight.

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  • #71
    Yes because 8 fights at HW and beating 3 big british stiffs twice, surpasses everything Ali accomplished over his career, along with at least 30 other HW's. You got it fan boy.
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    • #72
      Originally posted by Da Pimper View Post
      People also overlook Usyk’s unbelievable cruiserweight run.

      Dude beat:
      Undefeated Gassiev
      Undefeated Breidis
      Undefeated Hunter
      Undefeated Glowacki

      Took all their 0s and fought them in foreign territory.
      Those guys were all B level at best. CW skill level sucks in general. Gassiev is basic as hell can't even throw a job. Huck sucks also. Briedis only good fighter on that list.

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      • #73
        Originally posted by Bennyleonard99 View Post

        Ali had flaws and made mistakes and had failures. Usyk has no flaws, never made a mistake and has never failed in pro boxing.

        Ali was beaten by the sport in the end and was a punching bag at 37. Usyk is better than ever at 38.
        Aren't you the one who wanted to play the prove me game ?!?!?

        Ali could have fought well into his 90's in this de****able HW era.

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        • #74
          Originally posted by Bennyleonard99 View Post

          Every era is the same, brutally tough. Every has the champ and contenders with flaws. Usyk has no flaws and solves every puzzle.

          Every era is the same but perceptions of eras varies. Nobody can prove Joe Frazier could beat Chisora or AJ.
          Evidently not
          This era is the lamest, softest, least HOFers.....

          When a person rolls out Chisora as a force to be reckoned with, that tells you all you need to know about that era.
          Usyk and Fury
          Maybe AJ and Wilder
          Will be remembered 3 years after they retire.

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          • #75
            Originally posted by Bipolar Hero View Post
            Yea, a certain demographic will never admit this. But Usyk is better than Ali.
            White people like you think he’s the goat. You dont know boxing. You just know whiteness lol…
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            • #76
              Originally posted by Jacobson View Post
              We are all nostalgic, but we have to be objective too.

              Comparing Usyk to Ali boxing-wise
              -Athletes far bigger/stronger in modern era, boxing more globalized
              -Olympic gold, World Championship gold, World Cup silver vs just Olympic gold
              -GOAT Cruiserweight career
              -Moved up to HW and destroyed Joshua 2x, Fury 2x, Dubois 2x as a MUCH smaller man
              -Won most of his fights on the road in enemy territory vs mostly U.S. for Ali
              -Undefeated at 38 vs Ali’s multiple losses and gifts (Frazier, Norton, Spinks, etc)

              Comparing Usyk to Ali outside the ring
              -Usyk is always respectful, never trash-talks even when disrespected. Ali often taunted opponents, made inflammatory racial remarks, deeply hurt good people like Frazier and hurt their children too.
              -Usyk is a true family man who never committed adultery or disrespected women, especially his wife. Ali was a serial adulterer, hurt many women.
              -Ali was a hero to his people, but so is Usyk, who is a hero to not only the Ukrainian army and people, but to all of Western Europe and the entire Free World against Russian tyranny.
              -Ali was constantly boastful and called himself great. Usyk is never boastful, never calls himself great, instead gives ALL glory to Jesus Christ.

              As a boxer, as a man, Usyk is as close to perfection as it gets. He is a better ambassador and role model for boxing than Ali could ever be. He’s the kind of guy that young athletes should model themselves afterwards. He’s the epitome of conquering evil with good, and going high when others go low.

              He is Christ-like, he is risen.

              He is The Greatest Heavyweight of all time, but he would never say that of himself.

              The legend of Oleksandr Usyk is just beginning.
              When you analyze their comp, Ali is light years beyond Usyk. Usyk atg, Ali legend.

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              • #77
                Originally posted by TheProudLunatic View Post

                Evidently not
                This era is the lamest, softest, least HOFers.....

                When a person rolls out Chisora as a force to be reckoned with, that tells you all you need to know about that era.
                Usyk and Fury
                Maybe AJ and Wilder
                Will be remembered 3 years after they retire.
                Chisora is about the same level as Shavers, Lyle, Young, Phil Jackson, Karl Mildenberger, Ossie Ocasio, LeRoy Jones, Ray Mercer, Tommy Morrison. Wilder was a phony fraud, bought title from Stiverne and only fought PBC employees.

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                • #78
                  Originally posted by Raggamuffin View Post
                  White people like you think he’s the goat. You dont know boxing. You just know whiteness lol…
                  You can't erase a perfect career. Perfection is Usyk. He has never made a mistake in the ring. He solves every puzzle every style. He is the goat.

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                  • #79
                    I think too many people are just still buzzed by the win Saturday. It was awesome no doubt but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Someone mentioned Usyk will be an ATG and that's no doubt. Though no way he exceeds Ali's accomplishments when he fought his career at heavyweight against some monsters.

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                    • #80
                      Originally posted by Jacobson View Post
                      We are all nostalgic, but we have to be objective too.

                      Comparing Usyk to Ali boxing-wise
                      -Athletes far bigger/stronger in modern era, boxing more globalized
                      -Olympic gold, World Championship gold, World Cup silver vs just Olympic gold
                      -GOAT Cruiserweight career
                      -Moved up to HW and destroyed Joshua 2x, Fury 2x, Dubois 2x as a MUCH smaller man
                      -Won most of his fights on the road in enemy territory vs mostly U.S. for Ali
                      -Undefeated at 38 vs Ali’s multiple losses and gifts (Frazier, Norton, Spinks, etc)

                      Comparing Usyk to Ali outside the ring
                      -Usyk is always respectful, never trash-talks even when disrespected. Ali often taunted opponents, made inflammatory racial remarks, deeply hurt good people like Frazier and hurt their children too.
                      -Usyk is a true family man who never committed adultery or disrespected women, especially his wife. Ali was a serial adulterer, hurt many women.
                      -Ali was a hero to his people, but so is Usyk, who is a hero to not only the Ukrainian army and people, but to all of Western Europe and the entire Free World against Russian tyranny.
                      -Ali was constantly boastful and called himself great. Usyk is never boastful, never calls himself great, instead gives ALL glory to Jesus Christ.

                      As a boxer, as a man, Usyk is as close to perfection as it gets. He is a better ambassador and role model for boxing than Ali could ever be. He’s the kind of guy that young athletes should model themselves afterwards. He’s the epitome of conquering evil with good, and going high when others go low.

                      He is Christ-like, he is risen.

                      He is The Greatest Heavyweight of all time, but he would never say that of himself.

                      The legend of Oleksandr Usyk is just beginning.
                      I still think Ali is higher on the GOAT list because of the myth he has become in and out the ring. But prime to prime im picking usyk to beat him.

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