Sorry Ali fans, Usyk has replaced him as “The Greatest” Heavyweight.

[TheIronMike]

Spoken like a true casual who don’t know sht about boxing. Nice!

AND I love how you can't even dispute what I said, you literally know its true. Deal with the fact that more people will remember Yoko Gushiken than any of the cruiserweights sans Usyk in the last 25 years.

[Pete_The_Man]

competitive because boxing has evolved.

Boxing has not evolved at all

Boxing training is -

1. Jogging
2. Jumping Rope
3. Lifting Weights
4. Bag Work
5. Sparring
6. Sometimes Cycling and Rowing Machines
7. Swimming

That's boxing training, and all those have been around for over 100 years.

So Canelo, Inoue, Usyk or Crawford are all doing the same stuff Ray Robinson and Marciano did.

If we look at the act of punching each other in the face and make a similar graph as we might for baseball or soccer, the entire time that those sports have existed would look like a speck next to the entire time we have been punching each other in the face.

So fighting in unarmed combat is a primitive sport that doesn't rely on the stuff you think it does, and won't evolve in the same was as other sports.

Sure - Modern fighters have the advantages of modern medicine and nutritional knowledge, but that's it.

Fighters in the past were part of a deeper talent pool, worked harder, were more active as fighters, was much harder to get a title shot coz of one champ per division and were required to have higher conditioning. These days, despite the advances of medicine and science, fighters at the elite level get away with fighting very few times a year, and probably 1/10 of them actually maintains fighting shape year round.

The talent pool disparity is a huge factor. There are fewer fighters, fewer trainers, less truly knowledgeable trainers, and less competition.

It doesn't take a scientist to determine from that alone, that a smaller talent pool means it takes less to make it to the top, and it takes less to succeed at all levels

[BirdSong]

I've forgotten more about boxing than you've ever known

u forgot what knocked out means or maybe u never knew

[Grandma Lover]

u forgot what knocked out means or maybe u never knew

That dude is a certified dvmb fvkc

[TheIronMike]

Boxing has not evolved at all

The core of training in boxing hasn’t changed.

1. Jogging
2. Jumping Rope
3. Lifting Weights
4. Bag Work
5. Sparring
6. Sometime Cycling and Rowing Machines

Whether you're Canelo, Inoue, Crawford or some Amateur down your local gym. That's boxing training, and all those have been around for over 100 years.

If we look at the act of punching each other in the face and make a similar graph as we might for baseball or soccer, the entire time that those sports have existed would look like a speck next to the entire time we have been punching each in the face.

So fighting in unarmed combat is a primitive sport that doesn't rely on the stuff you think it does, and won't evolve in the same was as other sports.

Sure - Modern fighters have the advantages of modern medicine and nutritional knowledge, and that's it.

Fighters in the past were part of a deeper talent pool, worked harder, were more active as fighters, was much harder to get a title shot coz of one champ per division and were required to have higher conditioning. These days, despite the advances of medicine and science, fighters at the elite level get away with fighting very few times a year, and probably 1/10 of them actually maintains fighting shape year round.

Even all else considered equal, the talent pool disparity is a huge factor. There are fewer fighters, fewer trainers, less truly knowledgeable trainers, and less competition.

It doesn't take a scientist to determine from that alone, that a smaller talent pool means it takes less to make it to the top, and it takes less to succeed at all levels

100% agree. Boxing is one of the few sports where the fighters have gotten WORSE. This is due to a smaller sample size of fighters, and a reduction in rounds.

Nutrition means nothing because you had fighters smoking packs a day and eating oatmeal, bacon and drinking unfiltered water still going 15 rounds...

Now you have guys like Canelo, who is extremely conservative with punches thrown per round, fighting LESS rounds and still is huffing and puffing by round 8 (too much chorizo).....and he's paying a nutritionist probably 50-100K per fight!

Take Coeztee from the 80s and put him up against Dubois and I promise Dubois ****s himself after getting KO'd.

[BirdSong]

Take Coeztee from the 80s and put him up against Dubois and I promise Dubois ****s himself after getting KO'd.

u were a hippy in the 80's and think everything from the 80's is better than now

[NihonJim]

Daniel Dubois: GOAT Maker

[GBBOXING12]

No he's not.

Ali >>> Usyk.

Stop this nonsense.

[JOITATS]

Usyk has been hardly dominant at HW.
In his last 5 fights, he went to split dec twice.

And just KOed a pretty basic guy he already KOed.
Did anyone actually think he would lose?

So this is his only dominant win at HW, and some of you are in awe.


Usyk will retire never fighting a top P4P guy.

Unfortunate, but a fact.




compared to Ali. Hilarious.

[dan_cov]

I love Usyk and think he is tremendous but there is only one 'greatest' and that crown does and forever will belong to Ali.

I don't want to pick apart Usyks resume, he's great honestly but comparing the two is night and day.