Let’s call a spade a spade… Is Bivol “ducking” Benavidez?

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

This was for the first fight, and what you've got is a projection for the second fight from a site that has this to say on its about page:

"Sporty Salaries is newly launched e-mag where you will find details about football players contracts, clubs and national team players salaries, tournament prize money. The team behind SportySalaries doing their best bring best data about sports."
That also lacks a source, BTW.

And, as I've said, the 10 million guarantee figure is supported by numerous other sources. I think it should tell you a lot that the only source you could find in line with your figure is "newly launched e-mag" with bad grammar, and Sulaiman, who's both a confirmed liar on numerous occasions, AND has a vested interest in discrediting Turki.

I'm also going to mention that there's multiple sources that say that the two split a $20 million purse for the first fight if you research Beterbiev's purses as well. All the sources that cite a smaller figure are dated after Sulaiman made his claim, while the others are all dated before, and would have been based on reports coming out about the purses independently.

So this really comes down to whether you think Sulaiman is a credible source.

Sulaiman is gonna be collecting money from whatever the pot was for the Bivol-Beterviev. Why would he want to collect a percentage from $2.7 instead of $10 million. It's reasonable to believe that there is pride in stating a higher earning number for a fight than a lower earning number.

Who are these phantom sources for these $10 million earning figures??? These are numbers that some random guy or girl throws around and everybody runs with it. I'd sooner believe Sulaiman than a phantom figure. I don't like Sulaiman but I'll believe him over a rumor that has no source. Shoot, he might very well be lying but as of now he's the only real human putting his name to a financial figure. If Bivol or Eddie comes out and says that Bivol made $10 million, I'll definitely take their word for it.

[Smash]

The purse comparisons between fighters on PBC and on Saudi aren't a fair comparison of market value, because the Saudi shows are loss leaders. They're not making a profit and are overpaying to get a foothold and become the dominant entity in the sport, so they have no qualms about paying inflated purses which don't correlate to how much PPV revenue a fighter will generate in return. Where as PBC's shows are about making profit for the promotion and broadcaster, so they have to determine their purses based off that.

but thats the whole point people are arguing that the saudis are not actually over paying at all in fact they are under paying

[JakeTheBoxer]

So much talk about the money.

It is very simple. Bivol will not fight benavidez next, because Turki wants him to fight somebody else.

And, it is unlikely that Bivol ever fights Benavidez because it seem like team Benavidez is doing everything to fire that fight.

[Smash]

In California the earnings are Public record and have to be disclosed. Not in Nevada but in California every dollar earned that is reported has to be made available. Aside from that, the fight did poorly in sales all around. Tickets had to be given away and PPV sales were below 100k. There was no upend to the PPV that night.

they only way to find out the ppv upside or bonus or whatever u want to call it that is agreed between boxer and promoter would be for either the boxer or the promoter to tell u what it is

or are you saying that i can go into a government office in cali and demand to know what so and so boxer got after the event?

what about what fat dan said is he wrong in what he says then?

"Per CSAC, official contract purses for #CrawfordMadrimov card (and, yes, many have much higher guarantees than what the contract says): Terence Crawford $2.5M, Israil Madrimov $750k; Isaac Cruz $1.5M, Jose Valenzuela $500k; Andy Ruiz $900k, Jarrell Miller $450k (more"

[Grimmer]

I would be surprised if he scared of David though, unlike with Canelo where I was convinced.

Benavidez was offered the chance to invoke his mandatory against Canelo after he fought Gvozdyk, but Benavidez turned down the chance to force the Canelo fight.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

so basically u are saying madrimov gave up his title to bud for 750k and bud accepted less than the amount he was giving out about for years with arum and bivol and beter get paid terrible for big undisputed fights based on a figure given by suliclown which he was told he could deduct his percentage from, sorry im not buying any of that at all it doesnt just sound off it sounds way off

I'm not saying that Madrimov took $750k to fight Bud, The State of California is saying that Madrimov earned $750k to fight Bud. Bud made a killing fighting Spence on PPV upend. His and Spence's guarantee was around $2 million, but because the fight did 750k on PPV sales both made over $20 million. That's the PBC model, a low guarantee, but a high PPV upend. Tank's guaranteed is similar, in the $2 million range but a high PPV upend after a certain amount of PPV buys.

Turki promised Bud the same PPV upend with a $2.5 guruantee, but the fight bombed both live and on PPV.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

well if thats the case then all the big boxing events held there where there is a guarantee upfront and then some upside to it after the event will have all this info logged and available to all so if you go search in cali for the guarantee u would also have to separately find the figure paid to the fighters after the event are you doing that?

The payout for upend is paid throughout a period of time, Usually within 3 months, but that's when it does well. There was no upend to that particular fight as it bombed, Turki actually lost money on that event. I believe a high upend starts at 500k and up. For a low to a moderate upend the number starts at around 150k-250k. Below are the guaranteed earnings for the LA fight card that Bud Headlined.

• Terence Crawford ($2,500,000) Israil Madrimov ($750,000)
• Jose Valenzuela ($500,000) Isaac Cruz ($1,500,000)
• Andy Ruiz ($900,000) vs. Jarrell Miller ($450,000)
• Martin Bakole ($375,000) Jared Anderson ($660,000)
• David Morrell ($750,000) Radivoje Kalajdzic ($350,000)
• Andy Cruz ($200,000) Antonio Moran ($37,500)
• Steve Nelson ($50,000) Marcos Ramon Vazquez ($12,500)
• Ziyad Almaayouf ($40,000) vs. Michal Bulik ($10,000)

[Smash]

The payout for upend is paid throughout a period of time, Usually within 3 months, but that's when it does well. There was no upend to that particular fight as it bombed, Turki actually lost money on that event. I believe a high upend starts at 500k and up. For a low to a moderate upend the number starts at around 150k-250k. Below are the guaranteed earnings for the LA fight card that Bud Headlined.

• Terence Crawford ($2,500,000) Israil Madrimov ($750,000)
• Jose Valenzuela ($500,000) Isaac Cruz ($1,500,000)
• Andy Ruiz ($900,000) vs. Jarrell Miller ($450,000)
• Martin Bakole ($375,000) Jared Anderson ($660,000)
• David Morrell ($750,000) Radivoje Kalajdzic ($350,000)
• Andy Cruz ($200,000) Antonio Moran ($37,500)
• Steve Nelson ($50,000) Marcos Ramon Vazquez ($12,500)
• Ziyad Almaayouf ($40,000) vs. Michal Bulik ($10,000)

but u are missing the point turki doesnt care how the fight does hes not in it for making money

u have no idea what turki paid to these guys as the ppv deal or bonus or whatever they call it which is widespread in boxing because its negotiated between boxer and promoter

for example for all u know turki might have said to mad or bud or whoever as part of the deal, if the event does 100k ppv buys ill pay you 100 million bonus, now that is crazy of course but you have no idea what that figure is

[Grimmer]

In The States, Shakur and Bena hold more PPV weight than Bivol. Bivol vs Beter only did 49k on PPV at a cost of $30.

Has that been verified? I read that the 49k figure was just bull**** propagated by a troll twitter account.

[Smash]

I'm not saying that Madrimov took $750k to fight Bud, The State of California is saying that Madrimov earned $750k to fight Bud..

that 750k is just the guarantee upfront figure its says nothing about what ppv upside or bonus or whatever might have been there are are u saying that there was no ppv upside or bonus or anything to this fight?

the state of california lists the pre fight up front guarantee which is not the full deal in boxing

its well known that creative accounting or whatever u might call it is rife in the sport so california just listing one pre fight figure cannot be the full amount that these boxers are getting from the event