Let’s call a spade a spade… Is Bivol “ducking” Benavidez?

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

thats odd im out of the boxing loop but taylor serrano got like 6 mil plus from turki for their fights and they were on the undercard of that card plus turki is quoted as saying after the first fight

"This was one of the great fights of the last 20 years I think, but I don't think the result was fair, in my opinion.

The two fighters are like my brothers, but I think Bivol won two rounds more"

so the guys he calls brothers he basically short changing in purses to them plus what the hell is suliclown doing sticking his oar in anyway? i mean that idiot only does stuff that benefits himself and he is releasing this info well that 2.7 mil may have been reported to him as he got a percentage of that amount so is actually not happy about that but is well known that boxing promoters do a fancy numbers game with a guarantee and a system that suits their fighters how do you know turki isnt doing the same thing for his saudi cards?

Taylor-Serrano was on Jake's MVP card, had nothing to do with Turki... Jake/Netflix paid them ladies....

[SouthpawRight]

Benavidez is the challenger coming in with all kinds of demands for the undisputed champ. And he knows very well that Turki wants a trilogy. He ALSO already said that he's willing to wait until the trilogy finishes, then backtracked. I'm unclear on why he thinks he should be running his mouth pissing off both Turki and Bivol. Either way, Bivol is the man in the division, and it's his right to pursue the trilogy and request an exemption to do so, or to move on and fight Benavidez, whichever makes the most financial sense long term. But if Benavidez ACTUALLY wants the fight, why is he trying to pretend he's the A-side? Bivol is the champ AND the guy currently backed by the deepest pockets in the sport. If anyone is ducking, it's Benavidez, trying to sink the fight for himself with his antics.

BINGO

i mean if bivol and his team were talking like that and benny was the champ benny guys would be up in arms saying who the hell does this russian guy think he is he needs to be put in his place

I believe David is down to earth and would fight Callum next

But David’s promoter and handlers are delulu clowns making demands when they have no leverage

David team best remember if they fail to make the fight, then Bivol would still be champ while Bena remains a contender

Bena doesn’t sell enough PPV for the revenue to overrule Bivol status as the champ

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

Benavidez is the challenger coming in with all kinds of demands for the undisputed champ. And he knows very well that Turki wants a trilogy. He ALSO already said that he's willing to wait until the trilogy finishes, then backtracked. I'm unclear on why he thinks he should be running his mouth pissing off both Turki and Bivol. Either way, Bivol is the man in the division, and it's his right to pursue the trilogy and request an exemption to do so, or to move on and fight Benavidez, whichever makes the most financial sense long term. But if Benavidez ACTUALLY wants the fight, why is he trying to pretend he's the A-side? Bivol is the champ AND the guy currently backed by the deepest pockets in the sport. If anyone is ducking, it's Benavidez, trying to sink the fight for himself with his antics.

You are correct that Benavidez is the challenger and is coming off as an arrogant diva with all the demands, but he would be the A side in that particular fight even if he isn't the champ. A perfect example would be Ryan vs Devin. Ryan was the challenger but was the A side of their fight.

Benavidez is not a boxing superstar but his promoter is dishing out the $$$. Bena's recent PPV fight generated 160k which isn't a whole lot, but he did 3 times more than Bivol vs Beter here in the States. Bivol just isn't a big name here in the States, where PBC proposes the fight to take place...

The way it's looking now, Bivol fighting Bena makes the most financial sense, unless Turki is willing to up the $2.7 million he recently paid Bivol to surpass the $8 million he is being offered by PBC.

For the record, I think Bivol is great and I think he would beat Bena if they fought.

[MulaKO]

You are correct that Benavidez is the challenger and is coming off as an arrogant diva with all the demands, but he would be the A side in that particular fight even if he isn't the champ. A perfect example would be Ryan vs Devin. Ryan was the challenger but was the A side of their fight.

Benavidez is not a boxing superstar but his promoter is dishing out the $$$. Bena's recent PPV fight generated 160k which isn't a whole lot, but he did 3 times more than Bivol vs Beter here in the States. Bivol just isn't a big name here in the States, where PBC proposes the fight to take place...

The way it's looking now, Bivol fighting Bena makes the most financial sense, unless Turki is willing to up the $2.7 million he recently paid Bivol to surpass the $8 million he is being offered by PBC.

For the record, I think Bivol is great and I think he would beat Bena if they fought.

Do you really believe Bivol only got 2.7 million ???
I have a very hard time believing that and then they offer him 8 to fight Benny who is no ppv star in his own ???
Something just ain’t right here

[SouthpawRight]

For the record, I think Bivol is great and I think he would beat Bena if they fought.

ring rusted near washed Gvozdyk winning 3 to 4 rounds off Bena doesn’t bode well for David’s chances against Bivol

That Gvozdyk was the poor man’s Ukrainian counterfeit version of Soviet Style

Inexperienced Cuban David had a dumb game plan and still won 4 or 5 rounds

Undersized Andrade had success with his body head fast flurries

[Smash]

Taylor-Serrano was on Jake's MVP card, had nothing to do with Turki... Jake/Netflix paid them ladies....

oh rite lol told u im out of the boxing loop!

i find it hard to believe that turki is paying less to his 'brothers' than for example arum was paying shakur for his fights, 3 mil and its for an undisputed fight in saudi, doesnt make any sense to me whatsoever with everyone wants to get on turki cards but he actually paying below market rates huh makes no sense at all

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

Do you really believe Bivol only got 2.7 million ???
I have a very hard time believing that and then they offer him 8 to fight Benny who is no ppv star in his own ???
Something just ain’t right here

Yes, I do. I'm not a fan of Sulaiman, but he's on record stating financials that involve his organization. I honestly believe he only disclosed the amount to take a dig at Turki and expose him for underpaying Bivol.

When Turki put together that fight card in LA, he only guaranteed Bud $2.5 or $2.7 million to defend against Madrimov. Madrimov only received $750k for his services. What Bud was guaranteed is identical or almost identical to what Sulaiman is saying Bivol received.

Some folks will argue that there's no way Turki only paid Bud that figure, but the fight took place in California and the State of California is transparent with financial earnings and makes those records available to the public so that number cannot be denied....

PBC might very well be bluffing knowing that Bivol might not call their bluff, but if we're to believe that PBC and Benavidez offered Canelo $60 or $70 million they surely can offer Bivol $8 million.

[crimsonfalcon07]

You are correct that Benavidez is the challenger and is coming off as an arrogant diva with all the demands, but he would be the A side in that particular fight even if he isn't the champ. A perfect example would be Ryan vs Devin. Ryan was the challenger but was the A side of their fight.

Benavidez is not a boxing superstar but his promoter is dishing out the $$$. Bena's recent PPV fight generated 160k which isn't a whole lot, but he did 3 times more than Bivol vs Beter here in the States. Bivol just isn't a big name here in the States, where PBC proposes the fight to take place...

The way it's looking now, Bivol fighting Bena makes the most financial sense, unless Turki is willing to up the $2.7 million he recently paid Bivol to surpass the $8 million he is being offered by PBC.

For the record, I think Bivol is great and I think he would beat Bena if they fought.

Do you honestly think that PBC is where the money is at, or that they could pay Bivol more than the Saudis?? I'm gonna repeat this again. The Saudis make enough passive income in 2 HOURS to match PBC's current market valuation. 2 HOURS. And your figures are wrong from what I've seen. Where are you getting them?

Do you really believe Bivol only got 2.7 million ???
I have a very hard time believing that and then they offer him 8 to fight Benny who is no ppv star in his own ???
Something just ain’t right here

There's a variety of sources, but this one actually collects his past purses, although I'm aware Marca isn't the most reliable source. I'm using it for convenience because I was able to verify the numbers from more reliable sources.

https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/c...3708b459d.html

For those who don't like to click links:

Vs. Artur Beterbiev (October 2024): In a highly anticipated bout for the undisputed light heavyweight championship held in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, both Bivol and Beterbiev were guaranteed a purse of $10 million each. This fight marked the largest payday of Bivol's career to date.

(Note this is far more than the alleged PBC 8 million offer, and doesn't include the first fight either. He's also likely to get more as the undisputed champion now).

Vs. Canelo Álvarez (May 2022): Bivol's unanimous decision victory over the Mexican superstar not only elevated his status in the boxing world but also earned him an estimated $5 million.

Vs. Gilberto 'Zurdo' Ramirez (November 2022): Defending his WBA light heavyweight title, Bivol secured a purse of approximately $2.5 million for this bout.

Vs. Lyndon Arthur (December 2023): Continuing his winning streak, Bivol earned a guaranteed payout of $1.9 million in this matchup.

Vs. Malik Zinad (June 2024): In a fight held in Riyadh, Bivol took home $750,000 after defeating Zinad.

Note that these figures are also repeated in a variety of other sources that might be more credible.

And we've got the intangibles that Turki looks like he wants to destroy the WBC once and for all. So even if Bivol vacates to complete the trilogy, Turki may continue his efforts to leave the WBC on the outside, and, frankly, money talks.

[MulaKO]

Yes, I do. I'm not a fan of Sulaiman, but he's on record stating financials that involve his organization. I honestly believe he only disclosed the amount to take a dig at Turki and expose him for underpaying Bivol.

When Turki put together that fight card in LA, he only guaranteed Bud $2.5 or $2.7 million to defend against Madrimov. Madrimov only received $750k for his services. What Bud was guaranteed is identical or almost identical to what Sulaiman is saying Bivol received.

Some folks will argue that there's no way Turki only paid Bud that figure, but the fight took place in California and the State of California is transparent with financial earnings and makes those records available to the public so that number cannot be denied....

PBC might very well be bluffing knowing that Bivol might not call their bluff, but if we're to believe that PBC and Benavidez offered Canelo $60 or $70 million they surely can offer Bivol $8 million.

In today’s financial markets across the globe , I call bullchit
Also , no one talks about incentives might have been on the table when paying so little
I guess time will tell

[Smash]

Yes, I do. I'm not a fan of Sulaiman, but he's on record stating financials that involve his organization. I honestly believe he only disclosed the amount to take a dig at Turki and expose him for underpaying Bivol.

When Turki put together that fight card in LA, he only guaranteed Bud $2.5 or $2.7 million to defend against Madrimov. Madrimov only received $750k for his services. What Bud was guaranteed is identical or almost identical to what Sulaiman is saying Bivol received.

Some folks will argue that there's no way Turki only paid Bud that figure, but the fight took place in California and the State of California is transparent with financial earnings and makes those records available to the public so that number cannot be denied....

PBC might very well be bluffing knowing that Bivol might not call their bluff, but if we're to believe that PBC and Benavidez offered Canelo $60 or $70 million they surely can offer Bivol $8 million.

doesnt make any sense bud would not fight for 2.5 mil he was suing arum for paying him 3 mil a fight and underpaying him and that was years ago!

From a tweet from fat dan

"Per CSAC, official contract purses for #CrawfordMadrimov card (and, yes, many have much higher guarantees than what the contract says): Terence Crawford $2.5M, Israil Madrimov $750k; Isaac Cruz $1.5M, Jose Valenzuela $500k; Andy Ruiz $900k, Jarrell Miller $450k (more"

https://x.com/DanRafael1/status/1820528810959466533