Let’s call a spade a spade… Is Bivol “ducking” Benavidez?

[crimsonfalcon07]

Here's another source that aligns more with the figure that Sulaiman disclosed. Notice the word I bolded, "potentially". Potentially reaching $8-9million. Many of the figures talked about in articles report "potential" earnings as "actua"l earnings. It happens with Tank earnings as well as Ryan-Devin earnings. For the record, I'm not a Bena nor Sulaiman fanboy and am a bigger fan of Bivol than I am of Bena, but the president of an Organization disclosing financial numbers on record is more believable than financial numbers being reported in an article without an actual source, at least to me anyway.


"Boxing fans witnessed an unforgettable night at ANB Arena as Dmitry Bivol avenged his October 2024 loss to Artur Beterbiev. In a thrilling 12-round war, Bivol handed Beterbiev the first defeat of his career, winning by majority decision to become the undisputed light heavyweight champion. The highly anticipated showdown took place in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, and lived up to expectations. Despite the loss, both fighters walked away with massive purses, capping off a historic night in boxing.

According to Sportysalaries , Bivol made $2.5 million in guaranteed money for his first fight against Artur Beterbiev. In the rematch, he’s set to earn $3 million upfront, with total earnings potentially reaching $8-9 million based on pay-per-view sales. He previously pocketed over $5 million from the Canelo fight and $3 million against Gilberto Ramírez. With a reported purse exceeding $6 million for his February 22, 2025, bout, Bivol is on track to become one of Russia’s highest-paid boxers."

This was for the first fight, and what you've got is a projection for the second fight from a site that has this to say on its about page:

"Sporty Salaries is newly launched e-mag where you will find details about football players contracts, clubs and national team players salaries, tournament prize money. The team behind SportySalaries doing their best bring best data about sports."
That also lacks a source, BTW.

And, as I've said, the 10 million guarantee figure is supported by numerous other sources. I think it should tell you a lot that the only source you could find in line with your figure is "newly launched e-mag" with bad grammar, and Sulaiman, who's both a confirmed liar on numerous occasions, AND has a vested interest in discrediting Turki.

I'm also going to mention that there's multiple sources that say that the two split a $20 million purse for the first fight if you research Beterbiev's purses as well. All the sources that cite a smaller figure are dated after Sulaiman made his claim, while the others are all dated before, and would have been based on reports coming out about the purses independently.

So this really comes down to whether you think Sulaiman is a credible source.

[Smash]

Bro, in California, financial earnings are Public Record, They cannot be hidden. The earnings for each fighter on that Bud-Madrimov fight card are available to all. Pitbull was the 2nd highest earner on that card with a purse of $1.5 or 1.7 million. I'll try and find the purse to every fighter on that card for you.

did u not read the tweet i quoted from fat dan?

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

Why do you think this?

He commands higher purses than Shakur, was Fighter of the Year in 2022 after beating Canelo, has been a stalwart on all P4P lists since then, has nearly double the social media followers even on the Western sites popular in the US, and is an undisputed champion with two fellow P4P fighters on his resume. Also, Shakur was on Bivol's undercard, not the other way around.

He's also got close to 4 times more social media followers than David Benavidez, FYI, and all the same things apply. Higher purses, more mentions on P4P lists, etc, and more PPV headliners than both Shakur and Benavidez combined. The fights with Canelo and Beterbiev had huge visibility, and

So I'm curious what makes you think either Shakur or Benavidez are anything close to A-side compared to Bivol.

In The States, Shakur and Bena hold more PPV weight than Bivol. Bivol vs Beter only did 49k on PPV at a cost of $30. Bena vs Morrell did 160K PPV at a cost of $80 freaking dollars, that's a big difference in PPV dollar earnings for both fights.

As for Shakur, Eddie is obligated to pay Shakur $3 million per fight whether the money comes from his or Turki's pocket. I'm almost positive the contract that Bivol has with Eddie is for less money than what Eddie signed Shakur for. Turki is just sweetening the deal that Bivol has in place with Eddie. Bivol has to honor the contract he has with Eddie as long as it meets the financial deal that was signed a while back.

The $5 million against Ginger is an estimated amount and that estimate is from the PPV up end of the fight, not from a guarantee. Turki isn't paying PPV upend for Riyadh fights, he's simply negotiating a good purse without the fighter having to hope for high PPV sales to add to the guarantee.

As for Shakur being on the undercard at Riyadh, I''l use Virgil vs Madrimov as an example. There is no way Sheeraz-Adames was a higher profile fight than Virgil-Madrimov, yet Virgil-Madrimov was under Sheeraz-Adames. I definitely don't believe Sheeraz and Adames got paid more than Madrimov-Virgil..

[Smash]

Bro, in California, financial earnings are Public Record, They cannot be hidden. The earnings for each fighter on that Bud-Madrimov fight card are available to all. Pitbull was the 2nd highest earner on that card with a purse of $1.5 or 1.7 million. I'll try and find the purse to every fighter on that card for you.

yes but doesnt even turki himself pay them extra after the event they call it ppv upside or whatever they want but that figure is not included in their upfront guarantees which you are quoting they make a separate deal with the promoter for this its well known that this happens across the board in boxing and has been discussed on here many times

[Smash]

Shakur's brand has more value than the Bivol Brand. Sadly, that's just the way it is, them Saudi's overpay for Brand names....

shakurs brand is the snooze brand i mean hes well known as the most boring guy in boxing right or wrongly now and on social media you even have vids of people leaving one of his fights early due to boredom and people laughing about it

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

yes but doesnt even turki himself pay them extra after the event they call it ppv upside or whatever they want but that figure is not included in their upfront guarantees which you are quoting they make a separate deal with the promoter for this its well known that this happens across the board in boxing and has been discussed on here many times

In California the earnings are Public record and have to be disclosed. Not in Nevada but in California every dollar earned that is reported has to be made available. Aside from that, the fight did poorly in sales all around. Tickets had to be given away and PPV sales were below 100k. There was no upend to the PPV that night.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

shakurs brand is the snooze brand i mean hes well known as the most boring guy in boxing right or wrongly now and on social media you even have vids of people leaving one of his fights early due to boredom and people laughing about it

I agree, Shakur's brand is not a money making brand. Eddie thought/thinks that he can raise his value and said that Shakur was not being promoted properly so he took a gamble and singed him for more money than Golden Boy and Top Rank were willing to pay.

[Smash]

In California the earnings are Public record and have to be disclosed. Not in Nevada but in California every dollar earned that is reported has to be made available. Aside from that, the fight did poorly in sales all around. Tickets had to be given away and PPV sales were below 100k. There was no upend to the PPV that night.

so basically u are saying madrimov gave up his title to bud for 750k and bud accepted less than the amount he was giving out about for years with arum and bivol and beter get paid terrible for big undisputed fights based on a figure given by suliclown which he was told he could deduct his percentage from, sorry im not buying any of that at all it doesnt just sound off it sounds way off

[Smash]

In California the earnings are Public record and have to be disclosed. Not in Nevada but in California every dollar earned that is reported has to be made available. Aside from that, the fight did poorly in sales all around. Tickets had to be given away and PPV sales were below 100k. There was no upend to the PPV that night.

well if thats the case then all the big boxing events held there where there is a guarantee upfront and then some upside to it after the event will have all this info logged and available to all so if you go search in cali for the guarantee u would also have to separately find the figure paid to the fighters after the event are you doing that?

[Grimmer]

The purse comparisons between fighters on PBC and on Saudi aren't a fair comparison of market value, because the Saudi shows are loss leaders. They're not making a profit and are overpaying to get a foothold and become the dominant entity in the sport, so they have no qualms about paying inflated purses which don't correlate to how much PPV revenue a fighter will generate in return. Where as PBC's shows are about making profit for the promotion and broadcaster, so they have to determine their purses based off that.