Where do you place Usyk all-time at heavyweight after last night?

[Pac=Duran]

Usyk is the only HW of this era worth a damn.
He would also run amok in the 80s where the throne was a revolving door of crackheads.
He would have annihilated Tubbs, Smith and Tucker.

Not sure he would fair that well in the time of Tua, Lennox, K2....

Above Moorer

I wonder if Usyk would have been able to keep Mike Tyson at arm's length and handle him, or if Mike's body shots and upoercuts would have ended him

[Inoue Body Shot]

My top 5 of the last 25 years

Roy Jones
Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquiao
Bernard Hopkins
Juan Manuel Marquez

Usyk not quite there he would be somewhere 5-10 for me

As far as ATG top 10, no, no way.

There is absolutely no chance at all that Usyk is top 10 ATG Boxer.

No he's not.

I agree with the list above.

[Toffee]

There is absolutely no chance at all that Usyk is top 10 ATG Boxer.

No he's not.

I agree with the list above.

So, genuine question, what would it take? Because there's not much left to do.

He's already gone from cruiser to heavy, which I rate more highly than going up a few of the lighter classes.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Where's Will O the Wisp at? He's the boxing historian, right? Big Fury fan? Curious to see if his take is still consistent.

[Atypicalbrit]

So, genuine question, what would it take? Because there's not much left to do.

He's already gone from cruiser to heavy, which I rate more highly than going up a few of the lighter classes.

He won't be able to make it to top 10 because he turned over from the amateurs late and doesn't have enough time left. Additionally the quality isnt around now for Usyk to have any truly great foils. He hasn't beaten anyone who'd be in the top 100 fighters of all time, that makes top 10 a very difficult call for him.

Modern boxing fans are obsessed with what we have around now being the best of all time etc but in most cases it isn't remotely true, there's more than 100 years of boxing history and dozens of fighters with a legitimate claim to be in the conversation for top 10 all time.

[Pac=Duran]

Its no secret I dont rate Mike highly. Everything he did, Usyk could have done.
Mike beat up a bunch if no hopers and temporary champs...
Usyk would have done it too.

H2H.....People want to harp on the low blow ''KO''
Lets not forget how easy it was to tie Mike up and walk him around the ring.
If you hit Mike back and avoid his shots, he will implode.

MHO

I think the gymnastics his fans do to try and explain his losses are mental.

Loses to Buster at 22 years old? He didnt train!

No idea if this is true but Nobody asked him not to train. If its true then he lacked motivation and will to win, which is a massive part of it.

Lost to Evander in his apex prime at 29 years old? He was out of his prime because of jail.

Lmao

[BustedKnuckles]

...Additionally the quality isnt around now for Usyk to have any truly great foils...

Modern boxing fans are obsessed with what we have around now being the best of all time etc but in most cases it isn't remotely true...

But then the reverse is true too. There are people who always view past fighters as better even if they could be looking at an atg in front of them.

Im not necessarily arguing for top10 atg. But saying he isn't because times have changed is a little too nostalgic for me.

Do you realize that sizes of stadiums and heights of outfield walls have changed in baseball over the decades? Baseballs are made of different materials. The way and location where they measure the pitch speed has changed (used to be plate, now is when it leaves hand).

A Boston Red Sox player who played half of his games at home and still racked up substantial home runs over that huge wall couldve actually been a better hitter than a guy in some other team with more HR and a low home wall. Etc. Etc.

Times change. But cw Champ to hw champ is a much bigger move than 3lb or 7lb moves. Plus unified, undisputed, lineal, olympic and world gold? That much more than a lot to accomplish.

[Pac=Duran]

So, it's a matter of which excuses fits the bill ?
Can't every L be accompanied by an excuse ?

Mike was past it due to ''being incarcerated'' but, a Holmes who was vegetating on a couch for 2 years was legit W ?

I still say anyone could have went through Mike's resume and have the same out come.

Unfortunately for Usyk, he came up during the worst HW era ever.
Surely a HOFer but, ATG ?!?!

How is this the w9rst heavyweight era ever if Fury and Joshua coukd probably trounce every guy from the 90s and 2000s bar Lennox and Vitali?

[hugh grant]

Best parker, zhang, and flip then usyk is goat

[Toffee]

He won't be able to make it to top 10 because he turned over from the amateurs late and doesn't have enough time left. Additionally the quality isnt around now for Usyk to have any truly great foils. He hasn't beaten anyone who'd be in the top 100 fighters of all time, that makes top 10 a very difficult call for him.

That's a hard criteria. How many have even done it in your current top 10?

He beat Fury... who beat Klitschko.
He beat Joshua... who beat Klitschko.
They're both two time heavyweight champions. They might become 3 time champs.

And he did it from Cruiserweight in an era of super heavyweights.

Realistically all that's left for him to do is to have a decent reign at Heavyweight.

For what it's worth I don't agree that the division is weak. We're talking about the best. There will always be a top end of the division - whether there is depth of rivalry is just marketing.