Terence Crawford vs Naoya Inoue vs Oleksandr Usyk resume deep dives

[dan_cov]

It shouldn't need elaborating on. I know its a forum and to debate on but some things really are just that simple.

Usyk is flat out better in every regard

[crimsonfalcon07]

Inoues best win is a shot, nearing 40yr old Donaire who has virtually lost every time he has stepped up.
Inoue could have easily fought Estrada, Chocolatito and a whole host of great fighters, he fought none. Not one!

Usyk fought all of the top guys, the elites, on Road more or less all at their peak!
Most of which was not only skilled but had one punch power and many of which had huge size advantages over him.

Most of these guys on Inoues resume straight up aren't even on a Mchunu's level who is probably not even in Usyks top 10 wins. Skill wise, talentwise or as far as resumes go.

Ignorant take. Chocolatito is on record ducking Inoue thinking he wasn't well known enough. Then went on to lose his next fight, and ended up tying up all 4 kings at 115 until Inoue moved up. Estrada has fought exactly ONE unification ever across all his championship reigns. Those "great" fighters Inoue could have fought all ducked him. It's all in the historical record.

And when Inoue moved up, he went straight for the best guy in the division.

And to say that the wins on Inoue's record aren't on Mchunu's level is beyond ******. Mchunu's never won a world title in a division in which world title eliminators can be made between two guys from a division below coming off of losses. Cruiserweight is not a deep division full of talent. Most of those guys aren't on Paul Butler's level skill wise. I could go through and breakdown the boxing skills we see each of them use and Butler's list will be way longer. I get the feeling that you don't know what the boxing skills even are.

[dan_cov]

What on earth have I just read? I have no reply, honestly.
That is enough internet for the day.

*logs out*

[IronDanHamza]

You still haven't provided reasoning. You just keep saying Usyk is better because Usyk is better.

Because his resume is WAY better and he beat WAY better fighters is what I said. That is my reasoning.

He beat Tyson Fury for one, which is far and beyond better than any win Inoue has. Then he beat AJ twice, which is also better than any win Inoue has.

Then has Bredis and Gassiev, which are probably better than any win Inoue has, at worst the same level as any he has.

Then he has;

Bellew, Huck, Mchunu, Hunter, Glowacki, who are better than most of Inoue's wins aswell.

Some of Inoue's "ranked wins" are barely even good fighters. Jason Malony? Paul Butler? Kohei Kono? Are any of those guys better than average fighters in the grand scheme of things? The answer is no.

Like I said, it's simple, Usyk's resume is on another level to Inoue's. If not it's not, which wins does he has that justify otherwise?

[famicommander]

Because his resume is WAY better and he beat WAY better fighters is what I said. That is my reasoning.

He beat Tyson Fury for one, which is far and beyond better than any win Inoue has. Then he beat AJ twice, which is also better than any win Inoue has.

Then has Bredis and Gassiev, which are probably better than any win Inoue has, at worst the same level as any he has.

Then he has;

Bellew, Huck, Mchunu, Hunter, Glowacki, who are better than most of Inoue's wins aswell.

Some of Inoue's "ranked wins" are barely even good fighters. Jason Malony? Paul Butler? Kohei Kono? Are any of those guys better than average fighters in the grand scheme of things? The answer is no.

Like I said, it's simple, Usyk's resume is on another level to Inoue's. If not it's not, which wins does he has that justify otherwise?

Again, you don't seem to understand what an argument is. He's better because he is better is all you keep saying.

[IronDanHamza]

Ignorant take. Chocolatito is on record ducking Inoue thinking he wasn't well known enough. Then went on to lose his next fight, and ended up tying up all 4 kings at 115 until Inoue moved up. Estrada has fought exactly ONE unification ever across all his championship reigns. Those "great" fighters Inoue could have fought all ducked him. It's all in the historical record.

And when Inoue moved up, he went straight for the best guy in the division.

And to say that the wins on Inoue's record aren't on Mchunu's level is beyond ******. Mchunu's never won a world title in a division in which world title eliminators can be made between two guys from a division below coming off of losses. Cruiserweight is not a deep division full of talent. Most of those guys aren't on Paul Butler's level skill wise. I could go through and breakdown the boxing skills we see each of them use and Butler's list will be way longer. I get the feeling that you don't know what the boxing skills even are.

You did not say most of these people aren't on Paul Butler's level skill wise

Paul Butler is barely even an average fighter. You aren't honestly suggesting that he's elite?

[IronDanHamza]

Again, you don't seem to understand what an argument is. He's better because he is better is all you keep saying.

Except that is not what I said. Aren't you reading what I'm writing?

What are you suggesting here? That Inoue has beaten better fighters than Usyk has?

[Smash]

does the new face of boxing have a broken jaw?

[famicommander]

You did not say most of these people aren't on Paul Butler's level skill wise

Paul Butler is barely even an average fighter. You aren't honestly suggesting that he's elite?

Not elite, but he won 2 world titles at 118 which is a far more deep and skilled weight class than heavyweight or cruiserweight. Can you imagine Inoue getting dropped by a debuting fighter like reigning heavyweight titlist Tyson Fury did against Ngannou?

[famicommander]

Except that is not what I said. Aren't you reading what I'm writing?

What are you suggesting here? That Inoue has beaten better fighters than Usyk has?

Yes, by far. Donaire, Hernandez, and Narvaez are 20X more skilled as boxers than Fury or Joshua.