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  • #41
    Originally posted by Toffee View Post

    Do you think the opposite? That Usyk would never be justified for walking away. No matter how many delays happen.

    Yes, I think Usyk would be justified in walking away. But I also hope that we see the fight, even if I don't believe that we ever will.
    He can do what he wants. As can Tyson.

    But as a fan of the sport, I wouldn't justify either for walking away. It's not OK. It's depressing that some 'boxing fans' think it is.
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    • #42
      He gets to hold the belts for a few more months and then he can retire with a big payday after Fury beats him. Why walk away?

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      • #43
        Walk away? From a shot at the title???? Who does that?


        The plastic belts he owns will never be mistaken for the one real championship of the world.

        Only the most casual fan would think so; unaware of title history.

        How rediculous.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post
          Walk away? From a shot at the title???? Who does that?


          The plastic belts he owns will never be mistaken for the one real championship of the world.

          Only the most casual fan would think so; unaware of title history.

          How rediculous.
          Well, he's already recognised by the TBRB and Ring. You and I have had this discussion before, you know my position.

          Putting that aside, can you speak to the actual question. How many postponements would you tolerate if you were Usyk?

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          • #45
            Usyk won't go anywhere, and Turki will make sure he won't... $$$$$$$$$$....

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            • #46
              They had a contract for April 2023 - Usyk broke it. Fury screwed December 2023. So they were 1:1. We can argue that what happened the other day was Fury's fault. But since everything is fine for May, that means both sides agreed. So Usyk is to be blamed if he walks away because he could have chosen something now and said "Fury will wait after I fulfil my IBF duties" and he would have been reasonable. Because he was given way too many compromises by four sanctioning bodies so far. But this is just a theory, Usyk will not walk away from the fight. Let's just hope he doesn't suffer some injury and I don't mean it in the sense he would cheat, I mean for real - those things happen after all.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post
                Walk away? From a shot at the title???? Who does that?
                Every champion for the last 24 years has done it. Even making allowances for periods of the Klitschko's twin reign.

                We've been one fight away from an Undisputed champion for a long time. No-one has done it. At some point they've all moved on and made other fights.

                Credit to Usyk - he seems intent on getting Fury in the ring and is prepared to wait him out.

                Meanwhile Fury has shown nothing like the same single minded intent. He took a quick money maker less than 2 months before a signed undisputed fight and messed it up.

                Personally I think Usyk was crazy to accept the December delay and is crazy to accept this. After all the delay, inactivity and multiple camps he's going to end up fighting Hrgovic - a fight he could have had in December.
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                The tail end of Wlad's great career was spent in multiple camps chasing a fight against a supposedly legitimately injured/unwell Fury. Fury should be remorseful about that but I've never heard him say a word.
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                Here's another future Hall of Famer getting the same treatment.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by dan-b View Post

                  Well, he's already recognised by the TBRB and Ring. You and I have had this discussion before, you know my position.

                  Putting that aside, can you speak to the actual question. How many postponements would you tolerate if you were Usyk?
                  If I were he? Plenty more.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by fifth_root View Post
                    They had a contract for April 2023 - Usyk broke it. Fury screwed December 2023. So they were 1:1. We can argue that what happened the other day was Fury's fault. But since everything is fine for May, that means both sides agreed. So Usyk is to be blamed if he walks away because he could have chosen something now and said "Fury will wait after I fulfil my IBF duties" and he would have been reasonable. Because he was given way too many compromises by four sanctioning bodies so far. But this is just a theory, Usyk will not walk away from the fight. Let's just hope he doesn't suffer some injury and I don't mean it in the sense he would cheat, I mean for real - those things happen after all.
                    But these are not the same things. For the April 2023 the contract was not signed, they were in negotiations. You can't break contract which you didn't sign, no? You can blame Usyk if you want but we basically don't know anything about negotiations except what is let into media. December 2023 contract was actually signed.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by M312 View Post
                      He should have a fight before revisiting Tyson though.
                      This ^ pretty much. I'd have no problem with Usyk moving on for now, but I would be disappointed if he wasn't willing to fight Fury when the cut heals.

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