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Originally posted by daggum View Post
Why not just say Kassim ouma made ggg lose his aura and made him decline? Ouma did 10 times better than brook. Not all fights are walks in the park but largely dominating a guy and knocking him out in 5 proves he's not good makes little sense...
brook never had ggg hurt so not sure why you said that. He hit him with some big shots but that doesn't mean he was hurt. And losing to jacobs...not very credible. He clearly won that one he just didn't do as well as some expected but like you have already shown you expected him to be a "monster" and when he was just pretty good you think he lost when he clearly won the boxing match. Same thing happened in the first canelo fight. He wasn't dominant just a clear winner...oh he lost. No. Curse of high standards I suppose.
ggg should have lost to jacobs and derevyanchenko. Canelo outboxed him in the first fight and beat him up in the next 2 fights. ggg never beat canelo, ever.Last edited by Lance98; 01-27-2024, 04:25 AM.
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Originally posted by garfios View Post
He fought three elite guys and lost.
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Porter, Golovkin, Spence Junior.
Were all Brook's best fights, and performances.
I would say, that? His fight vs Golovkin as bad match making 'And since then Eddie Hearn has learnt from that period in his career'.
There was completely no need to put Brook up against Golovkin 'Brook should of just stayed at 147 pounds, and in all honesty? Just defended his IBF World Welter Weight Championship, against whoever'.
I believe there was pressure on Brook at the time, to be involved in bigger events 'For me those events would of naturally occurred, long as he stayed Champion at 147 pounds'.
Note: Gennady Golovkin was a great fighter, but? He has never been a superstar like Floyd Mayweather Junior, Canelo Alvarez or Manny Pacquiao 'If Brook was to beat Golovkon, was he going to stay at 160 pounds and defend the belts? Most likely not'.,
The fight was definitely bad matching making from Eddie Hearn, and that fight did effectively destroy the trajectory of Kell Brook's career. Brook may have performed better if he had a few fights at 160 pounds, he would of physiologically accustomed and conditioned himself to the weight class better.
The night Brook fought Golovkin, it was not the skill level of Golovkin which he could not compete with 'It was the power and brute strength'. I don't think the power and brute strength would of been such a dramatic shock, if Brook would of had 1 to 2 fights at 160 pounds before fighting Gennady Golovkin.
Kell Brook skill for skill has never really be out competed in my opinion, by any fighter he has stepped inside the ring with 'Brook was right there with Crawford, skill for skill. Until the stoppage'.
Those three fights Porter, Golovkin, Spence Junior, are Kell Brooks best performances 'And I can personally his potential and ability in all three of those fights'.
Since the retirement of Joe Calzaghe, the best fighters athletically and skill for skill the UK has produced were David Haye for sure and possibly Kell Brook 'On pure ability in their best form, those are the best two fighters the UK has produce since Joe Calzgahe' Amir Khan is up there as well.
The best overall fighters since Joe Calzaghe's retirement have been David Haye, and Carl Froch 'When you really compare their feats of achievement against fighters in and around their era, they were the best. Tyson Fury to date has for me not really surpassed them' etc.
Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 01-28-2024, 08:19 AM.
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Originally posted by Sammy7861992 View Post
Ya that's true , but 3 of them were p4p top guys in there prime and they would normally dominate fights and go there way, brook was arguably winning all of them before getting stoped , he is as tough as they come,he is not like today's coward top fighters,just because U lose doesn't take away how good he was , people who are unbeaten in the pros are only unbeaten because there to scared to take risks or go against someone with a pulse, they wait it out and pick faded fighter s to take advantage , he had great skills brook in the ring and could compte with anyone
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Originally posted by Roadblock View PostErrol also had problems going into that fight, he had the flu and was fighting overseas, it was a battle no doubt about that.
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Originally posted by STREET CLEANER View PostSome rewriting Brook's career here. He was constantly plagued by injuries and fighting lower tier fighters, the fight with Porter that he won he held an average of 14 times per round.
He was one of those fighters that could had been in the mix with Pac and Floyd at the time but his career stagnated. Lets not forget when he got stabbed on vacation asking for kisses.
Solid fighter but never won the big one and all he did was chase Amir.
I find it funny how some people always find ways of nitpicking the pro careers of high level athletes that have in all likelihood achieved far more than they themselves ever would.
It just sounds like needless trolling and complaining for the sake of it. It's easy to criticize someone in the public eye because ever mistake they make in their life and career is under the microscope.
Are you the perfect specimen who has never done anything ill advised before? Clearly not, so maybe you should show a bit of respect instead of getting on like a whiny little keyboard warrior who's likely never had the cojones to test himself in such a way that Brook did.
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Originally posted by garfios View PostThe tragic part is that he had a real excuse for not taking the fight, and he was pressured to fight, they might told him that he was going to lose his belt, look at the Charlo's and Company, take them years to defend their titles and nothing happens.
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Originally posted by theface07 View Post
I think you should stop downplaying Brook's accomplishments. He was a hell of a fighter and showed no cowardice or hesitation in wanting to take on the best challenges possible even if he was naive to think he would beat Golovkin.
I find it funny how some people always find ways of nitpicking the pro careers of high level athletes that have in all likelihood achieved far more than they themselves ever would.
It just sounds like needless trolling and complaining for the sake of it. It's easy to criticize someone in the public eye because ever mistake they make in their life and career is under the microscope.
Are you the perfect specimen who has never done anything ill advised before? Clearly not, so maybe you should show a bit of respect instead of getting on like a whiny little keyboard warrior who's likely never had the cojones to test himself in such a way that Brook did.
His best win is a majority decision against Porter and every time he stepped up he got stopped.
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