Comments Thread For: Kell Brook: Golovkin Fight Damaged Me, It Changed Me, Should Have Withdrew From Spence Bout

[brettWall]

its absolutely tragic

Yep. A six feet tall guy is praised, "he's stepping up doe," while a smaller guy is demonized doe.

[Smash]

Yep. A six feet tall guy is praised, "he's stepping up doe," while a smaller guy is demonized doe.

well if things work out for u u are a hero
if things go badly u can be a zero

[Smash]

the guy u picked up in the bar damaged u
ggg damaged u
eddie damaged u
spence damaged u
alcohol damaged u
drugs damaged u
anything else damage u?

[Joe Beamish]

Fighting Golovkin was one of the ******est decisions I've ever seen. Shame on Hearn for allowing it to happen.

Thread should have ended here.

[garfios]

Tragic part was Brook was never praised for moving up 2 divisions and fighting the number one guy. In contrast, 6 feet tall Jermell Charlo was praised to high heavens. He's stepping up doe.

The fans and media are like that. Look how they're praising ginger and he doesn't fight the real threats, brook went after the #1 in the division, canelo said he doesn't fight "mexicans", Morell jr wants to fight the boogeyman benavidez, and his fans are posting that he has never face an elite fighter, that's their reason. I thought brook was going to be outgunned back then and I was right, was a mistake and he has to live with that.

[Sid-Knee]

Who's fault is it? They go up in weight daring to be great and if they win (see ginger vs kovalev) they're superman, but if they lose (see ginger vs bivol) they're too small and they have an old injury.

The point is, he was at a huge disadvantage. ATG's lose under those conditions. The fighters who beat him under those conditions would very much lose under those conditions too. Golovkin was shot when he lost to Canelo in the third fight. Golovkin didn't even have to go up 2 weight classes. Just the 1. Spence got destroyed by Crawford after being out for too long but still didn't have the disadvantages Kell did against Crawford. Kell even won the 3 completed rounds against Crawford as a shot drained fighter. Put Crawford in the same position, like Golovkin and Spence, he gets wiped out with ease too.

Kell went up in weight because he was being ducked at Welter by Thurman and Garcia. He was frustrated at not getting the big fights and having to fight his mandatories. Had he got the fights at his own weight, he would have cleaned house. They knew this which is why they refused to face him. Trying to spin it in to something different is either ignorance or spite. The same way you come with the nonsense of Saunders being a domestic level fighter. Saunders has a resume superior to anything Morrell will end up with. So if Saunders is domestic level, Morrell is an all out tomato can.

You Also said a decent fringe level fighter in Plant is better. No, he isn't and wasn't. That is straight delusion. Saunders has a win over Lee. You know the guy who knocked out a prime undefeated Korobov? That's the same guy who dominated Plant's only decent win in Uzcategui. That's just 1 win that is 10x better than Plant's worthless resume. That isn't even including the other wins for Saunders. So it isn't just this recent comment. You've made a few.

[garfios]

The point is, he was at a huge disadvantage. ATG's lose under those conditions. The fighters who beat him under those conditions would very much lose under those conditions too. Golovkin was shot when he lost to Canelo in the third fight. Golovkin didn't even have to go up 2 weight classes. Just the 1. Spence got destroyed by Crawford after being out for too long but still didn't have the disadvantages Kell did against Crawford. Kell even won the 3 completed rounds against Crawford as a shot drained fighter. Put Crawford in the same position, like Golovkin and Spence, he gets wiped out with ease too.

Kell went up in weight because he was being ducked at Welter by Thurman and Garcia. He was frustrated at not getting the big fights and having to fight his mandatories. Had he got the fights at his own weight, he would have cleaned house. They knew this which is why they refused to face him. Trying to spin it in to something different is either ignorance or spite. The same way you come with the nonsense of Saunders being a domestic level fighter. Saunders has a resume superior to anything Morrell will end up with. So if Saunders is domestic level, Morrell is an all out tomato can.

You Also said a decent fringe level fighter in Plant is better. No, he isn't and wasn't. That is straight delusion. Saunders has a win over Lee. You know the guy who knocked out a prime undefeated Korobov? That's the same guy who dominated Plant's only decent win in Uzcategui. That's just 1 win that is 10x better than Plant's worthless resume. That isn't even including the other wins for Saunders. So it isn't just this recent comment. You've made a few.

You can't have it both ways. If he went up in weight and was too small, he can't be drained in his own 147lbs, saunders is crap, the first time he fought a world class fighter he lost, just like Smith. Morrell Jr is creating his legacy now, and he's 10 times better that everyone you has mentioned and praise. You know something, saunders should fight the Cuban if he thinking about a comeback. Andy Lee? The same boxer that lost by ko to JCCJ? Wow, what an achievement, Korobov? They're all on the same level. We're going to get back to the Morrell Jr discussion once someone grows a pair.

[The D3vil]

I've always said Kell Brook was the biggest victim of modern boxing politics.

Guy in 2014/2015 was avoided by Floyd, Manny, Thurman, Spence, and especially Khan

Like one of the earlier posters said, we should've seen the "Battle of Britain" in the mid 2010s and those dudes would've made so much money.

Whos to say they wouldn't have had 2 or 3 big fights where they made tens of millions, but Khan ducked him in the most shameless duck I think I've ever seen and it sent both of their careers spiraling.

At least Crawford & GGG eventually got their validation in someway in big fights against Spence & Canelo

Brook had to wait like a decade to fight Khan after taking ****** beatings against GGG & Crawford, ironically.

[Sid-Knee]

You can't have it both ways. If he went up in weight and was too small, he can't be drained in his own 147lbs, saunders is crap, the first time he fought a world class fighter he lost, just like Smith. Morrell Jr is creating his legacy now, and he's 10 times better that everyone you has mentioned and praise. You know something, saunders should fight the Cuban if he thinking about a comeback.

Wait, what??? Brook was having trouble making 147 before he even went to Middleweight. Coming back down after putting on muscle was going to make it even harder. Surely this simple logic isn't lost on you? Or is it.

By the time Brook fought Crawford, he hadn't made Welter for 3 years. It would be like asking Crawford to make Lightweight now. Thing is, Crawford is still prime. Brook was shot by the time he fought Crawford.

Saunders has wins over Lemieux, Lee, Eubank, and a prime Ryder. That's vastly superior to what Plant achieved. So yes, Saunders did prove himself a world class fighter. To claim otherwise is beyond idiotic. He was even winning the Canelo fight until a 1 in a million uppercut allowed the groove of the glove to slot into his socket and actually have his eyeball take the impact of the punch. But he's "Crap" because of that? Haha. Sorry, but that's idiotic. But please tell me what a fringe level fighter in Plant did to make him world class in your eyes?

Saunders is done. Why would you want Morrell to face him? He's been out for years. Have Morrell stay out for over 2 years and face Benavidez and tell me how he gets on. He'd be wiped out with ease. Just like all the other Cubans that are hyped by people like you only to fall flat on their face without fail. The pro's are a completely different game to the amateurs. That's why Cubans fail all the time. Morrell will be no different. He isn't going anywhere. But i'll be here to remind you when the predictable happens. Then we'll discuss how much of a bum he is without anything to show for it and a worthless resume. I'm sure you'll change your tune by how you describe him. But this will be a Morrell who is at his best and not sabotaged like the others were. Under those conditions, your guys get faceplanted even worse than they already do.

[garfios]

Wait, what??? Brook was having trouble making 147 before he even went to Middleweight. Coming back down after putting on muscle was going to make it even harder. Surely this simple logic isn't lost on you? Or is it.

By the time Brook fought Crawford, he hadn't made Welter for 3 years. It would be like asking Crawford to make Lightweight now. Thing is, Crawford is still prime. Brook was shot by the time he fought Crawford.

Saunders has wins over Lemieux, Lee, Eubank, and a prime Ryder. That's vastly superior to what Plant achieved. So yes, Saunders did prove himself a world class fighter. To claim otherwise is beyond idiotic. He was even winning the Canelo fight until a 1 in a million uppercut allowed the groove of the glove to slot into his socket and actually have his eyeball take the impact of the punch. But he's "Crap" because of that? Haha. Sorry, but that's idiotic. But please tell me what a fringe level fighter in Plant did to make him world class in your eyes?

Saunders is done. Why would you want Morrell to face him? He's been out for years. Have Morrell stay out for over 2 years and face Benavidez and tell me how he gets on. He'd be wiped out with ease. Just like all the other Cubans that are hyped by people like you only to fall flat on their face without fail. The pro's are a completely different game to the amateurs. That's why Cubans fail all the time. Morrell will be no different. He isn't going anywhere. But i'll be here to remind you when the predictable happens. Then we'll discuss how much of a bum he is without anything to show for it and a worthless resume. I'm sure you'll change your tune by how you describe him. But this will be a Morrell who is at his best and not sabotaged like the others were. Under those conditions, your guys get faceplanted even worse than they already do.

Time will tell, and please ryder is a domestic level fighter just like the others. I do not care about plant, and if he couldn't make weight and move up, then we have to count the beating he took from ggg legit, now why the he moved down if he knew he was going to take not one but two beatings? Money. I can tell you this about the Cubans, with all the hardship they endure trying to get out their country, most of them old by professional standards they have done quite well, Rigondeaux was avoided like the plague and he was already old, I'm pretty sure quidd and frampton were two of them, Gamboa in his prime not even mickey garcia want want to fight him, Lara has a great career and was robbed a few times, who else? Hernandez was a Champ too, retired do to injuries, JC Gomez is the CW with more defenses, you stay long enough and don't duck nobody chances are you're going to lose one of this days. Now the good thing that this new wave has in their favor is youth, and you haven't here of the majority of them, you only know about Morrell Jr because he is on the fast track, wait a couple of years and you will see.