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  • Combat Talk Radio
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    #71
    Originally posted by Elheath
    By the way when comparing only their 115 accomplishments, out of those four I consider Estrada and SSR at a higher tier than Chocolatito, and Cuadras as a solid level or two below them all.

    Estrada has only lost once in 115. He defeated Cuadras in eliminater but lost the title bout to SSR. But then he won the rematch with SSR, defeated Cuadras again then defeated Chocolatito twice.

    SSR was the first to win a 115 belt in 2013 until he lost it in 2014 to Cuadras, but then regained and defended them by defeating Choco twice and Estrada once. He lost them to Estrada in 2020 then was lost to Bam in 2022.

    Choco won his first match in 115 against Cuadras to get the belt in 2016, but then lost to SSR consecutively to lose the belt. He won another belt from Kal Yafai in 2020, but then lost to Estrada twice as well in 2021 and 2022.

    Cuadras won a belt only once in his whole career, which was against SSR in 2014 with was a head clash TD. That was the only title win in in his career, having lost to Choco in 2016 to lose the belt, then lost to Estrada in 2017 for the eliminator to face SSR for his belt, lost the Estrada rematch in 2020 again for his belt, then lost to Bam in 2022 for the vacant belt.
    Don’t disagree, just that Choco was widely regarded as P4P at that time. Even Floyd had him #1.

    When he was about to face Srisaket the first time, I knew he was in trouble, just based on styles.

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      #72
      Originally posted by famicommander

      You're a delusional clown. Horn had the belt when Crawford beat him, no matter how he got it you can't blame Crawford for taking it from him. Kavaliauskas was ranked, Porter was a ranked former 2X welterweight world titlist, and Spence was the top ranked opponent available and a 3 belt unified world titlist. And Crawford stopped them all.
      And those four wins come NOWHERE close to Bam’s destruction of Rungvisai and Edwards. Because none those four were ever lineal champions.

      You can ignore the truth all you want.

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        #73
        Originally posted by Leicesterage

        And those four wins come NOWHERE close to Bam’s destruction of Rungvisai and Edwards. Because none those four were ever lineal champions.

        You can ignore the truth all you want.
        Edwards was never lineal champion either. What the hell are you even talking about?

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          #74
          Originally posted by Leicesterage

          Don’t disagree, just that Choco was widely regarded as P4P at that time. Even Floyd had him #1.

          When he was about to face Srisaket the first time, I knew he was in trouble, just based on styles.
          Oh, I'm definitely not saying Choco wasn't deserving of P4P at the time. What he did up until the consecutive losses to SSR was impressive, and overall as a career he's still above the other three with only Estrada having the chance of possibly approaching it when his career is over, and that is a long shot too. I'm just saying when just talking about 115, he is below Estrada and SSR. Cuadras is like two steps below them all both by career and by 115 accomplishments.

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            #75
            Originally posted by famicommander

            Edwards was never lineal champion either. What the hell are you even talking about?
            Edwards was Ring #1. The next best thing when lineal is vacant.

            Spence was never #1, Porter was never #1. Horn was never #1.

            Bottom line: Bam has a better resume, period.

            Funny how some of you trashed all three guys and now you’re bigging them up.

            Vast majority of you said Horn was a bum that never beat Manny, you said Porter was a face first brawler who lost every time he stepped up and Spence, you said was overrated because he never fought in any other weight class.

            Where’s all that damn energy now? F’n hypocrites. Just hypocrites.

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              #76
              Originally posted by IronDanHamza

              What does it matter? You're using solely his age on the surface as a measuring stick and somehow concluding the division must be weak due to that.

              Navarez was the #1 in the division at 39 just as Floyd was #1 in the division at 38 in 2015 and Mosley was #1 in the division at 38 in 2010.

              Are you going to hold Floyd the same standard and deem those two WW era's as "weak due to the #1 guy being 38"?

              Or is this going to be another "Ngannou is assuredly on PED's whilst Floyd is clean" moments where your double standards are so transparent it's not even laughable it's just sad?
              Because context matters. Which was my point.

              Narvaez at 39 was objectively not the equal of Floyd or Pac at their ages. Those are two of the very best ever.

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                #77
                Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

                Because context matters. Which was my point.

                Narvaez at 39 was objectively not the equal of Floyd or Pac at their ages. Those are two of the very best ever.
                Exactly and by your logic, their division must have been weak because they're in their late 30's as #1 and #2.

                What about WW 2010? Mosley was #1 and he was approaching 39. Was that WW division weak?

                Are you not seeing the gaping hole in your logic?

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by Leicesterage

                  Edwards was Ring #1. The next best thing when lineal is vacant.

                  Spence was never #1, Porter was never #1. Horn was never #1.

                  Bottom line: Bam has a better resume, period.

                  Funny how some of you trashed all three guys and now you’re bigging them up.

                  Vast majority of you said Horn was a bum that never beat Manny, you said Porter was a face first brawler who lost every time he stepped up and Spence, you said was overrated because he never fought in any other weight class.

                  Where’s all that damn energy now? F’n hypocrites. Just hypocrites.
                  Seek psychiatric help.

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by IronDanHamza

                    Exactly and by your logic, their division must have been weak because they're in their late 30's as #1 and #2.

                    What about WW 2010? Mosley was #1 and he was approaching 39. Was that WW division weak?

                    Are you not seeing the gaping hole in your logic?
                    Shane also being an all time great. Was 39 year old Narvaez coming off a knockout win over someone of the caliber of Margarito?

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                      #80
                      Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

                      Shane also being an all time great. Was 39 year old Narvaez coming off a knockout win over someone of the caliber of Margarito?
                      Well #1, Shane is far from an ATG.

                      #2, even if he was, he's a PED cheat and you said PED cheats can't be ATG's so how could he be an ATG to you?

                      #3, you're just moving the goalposts constantly.

                      You said, Navarez being #1 at 39 means the division must be weak, yet, I can name you numerous examples were the #1 guy in the division is that age or there about and it isn't weak.

                      Therefore, your point is dumb, as per usual.

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