Jesse Rodriguez has one of the best resumes in the business.

[Elheath]

What do you mean “IF”? This is the same deflective nonsense you did when you said Toney was an ATG who’s also a PED cheat.

Mosley is an admitted PED cheat, so what are you talking about “if”? There’s no if about it.

So neither of those two can be ATG’s in your book, why don’t you admit that instead of deflecting it?

And regardless anyway, even without PED use neither of those are close to being ATG’s. Especially Shane Mosley who’s no where even remotely close to that kind of status, PED use or not.

And then even then if he was, your point is STILL retarded and illogical about Navarez being 39 therefore his division must be weak.

I'm actually still wondering how someone can argue that defeating 39 years old Narvaez, an active champion who was still fighting multiple times a year being ranked #1 in the division for three straight years over the likes of a mid-20s Cuadras and SSR only shows how weak the division is and therefore not impressive. And yet at the same time, is willing to accept the argument that defeating an early-mid 30s Cuadras, a former champion who hasn't held a belt in the past 5 years and wasn't in the top 5 of the ranking is a great win for Bam.

By the way just to clarify my position, I give credit to Bam defeating Cuadras.

[IronDanHamza]

I'm actually still wondering how someone can argue that defeating 39 years old Narvaez, an active champion who was still fighting multiple times a year being ranked #1 in the division for three straight years over the likes of a mid-20s Cuadras and SSR only shows how weak the division is and therefore not impressive. And yet at the same time, is willing to accept the argument that defeating an early-mid 30s Cuadras, a former champion who hasn't held a belt in the past 5 years and wasn't in the top 5 of the ranking is a great win for Bam.

By the way just to clarify my position, I give credit to Bam defeating Cuadras.

Unfortunately, the guy doesn't have two brain cells to work with.

Sometimes I think he's playing a full retard character but then just realise no, he's just that retarded.

He's made that illogical point, that somehow because Navarez was 39 it must somehow then mean the division is weak, then when confronted with examples as to why that's a ****** assertion to make, he just moves the goalposts. It's the same routine every time. He doesn't see it because he has the IQ of a spoon.

He'll eventually go missing from the thread after getting battered from pillar to post and then act like none of this happened and spout the same nonsense again in a different thread hoping for different results.

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What do you mean “IF”? This is the same deflective nonsense you did when you said Toney was an ATG who’s also a PED cheat.

Mosley is an admitted PED cheat, so what are you talking about “if”? There’s no if about it.

So neither of those two can be ATG’s in your book, why don’t you admit that instead of deflecting it?

And regardless anyway, even without PED use neither of those are close to being ATG’s. Especially Shane Mosley who’s no where even remotely close to that kind of status, PED use or not.

And then even then if he was, your point is STILL retarded and illogical about Navarez being 39 therefore his division must be weak.

If Mosley was on PEDs during the part of his career that I consider the most impressive then yes, it should disqualify him from ATG consideration. I don’t know how to state it more clearly than that.

[ShoulderRoll]

Hamza is absolutely annihilating you dumb fvkc

He’s obsessed with me just like you are. Probably still butthurt that I pointed out his hardon for James Toney, which he continues to show in this thread.

If it makes you feel better to team up with him then be my guest. I don’t know who is getting the worse of that partnership, you or him.

[ShoulderRoll]

Margarito hasn't been proven because it is impossible to travel back in time and check his handwrap after every match he had. He also hasn't been proven to have been fighting legally up until the first Cotto fight either. The only thing proven as an absolute FACT is that Margarito was found having illegal handwraps before the Mosley match, and that he fought Mosley without illegal handwraps and lost convincingly. It is also a fact that Margarito never got another KO victory ever again after that, and that he lost against Cotto in the rematch that occurred after the handwrap scandal. The truth can never be proven, so people can only believe what they think in their opinion, and rate the accomplishments of a boxer with a combination of facts and opinions.

So question, by your personal OPINION do you think Margarito was using illegal handwraps from before the Mosley fight including the Cotto fight that happened half a year before Mosley? Not asking if he deserves being assumed guilty or not, but just your personal opinion, a simple yes or no?

My personal opinion is that Margarito likely used illegal hand wraps before. Just like it’s my opinion that Ngannou is on PEDs.

Besides Margarito let’s not forget that Shane was also one of the few people to ever wobble Floyd. Is anything Narvaez did against Felix Orcuta comparable?

[IronDanHamza]

If Mosley was on PEDs during the part of his career that I consider the most impressive then yes, it should disqualify him from ATG consideration. I don’t know how to state it more clearly than that.

Why are you saying "if" as if it's something that's up for debate?

[IronDanHamza]

My personal opinion is that Margarito likely used illegal hand wraps before. Just like it’s my opinion that Ngannou is on PEDs.

How is your opinion that on Ngannou being on PED's not a supposition?

What evidence do you have that Ngannou is on PEDs?

Besides Margarito let’s not forget that Shane was also one of the few people to ever wobble Floyd. Is anything Narvaez did against Felix Orcuta comparable?

This literally disproves your point.

Mosley was 37 when he stopped Margarito and 38 when he rocked Floyd.

By your logic, due to his age, that should deem the division weak.

It's just another ****** argument.

[ShoulderRoll]

Why are you saying "if" as if it's something that's up for debate?

He admitted to taking BALCO steroids in 2003. His run at 135 up to the first De La Hoya fight happened years before that, so I don’t know IF he was on something then or not.

[IronDanHamza]

He admitted to taking BALCO steroids in 2003. His run at 135 up to the first De La Hoya fight happened years before that, so I don’t know IF he was on something then or not.

Ok and when does the time he took PED's matter?

He admitted to taking PEDs so he's a PED cheat, therefore to you he's not an ATG.

So why are you saying "if" as if it's something that's up for debate?

[ShoulderRoll]

Ok and when does the time he took PED's matter?

He admitted to taking PEDs so he's a PED cheat, therefore to you he's not an ATG.

So why are you saying "if" as if it's something that's up for debate?

If he wasn’t on PEDs during the run I mentioned then he performed superbly while clean, right? Simple.