Jesse Rodriguez has one of the best resumes in the business.

[Elheath]

Shane also being an all time great. Was 39 year old Narvaez coming off a knockout win over someone of the caliber of Margarito?

Shane Mosley was a HoFer but certainly not an ATG.

You mean the caliber of Antonio Margarito, the one who got caught cheating for using loaded gloves? The one that had a 37-5 record with 27 KO that was coming off 3 consecutive KO wins leading up to the match with Mosely, but after his gloves were busted he went 1-3 with no KOs then retired two years after fighting Mosley?

Narvaez was coming off a win against a top 10 superfly weight contender Felipe Orucuta three month prior to Inoue's fight. He was not busted with tampering with his gloves nor a proven PED user, and he didn't retire shortly after losing to Narvaez.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Seek psychiatric help.

The common response from someone when presented with facts you can’t refute.

Bam’s resume is superior to Crawford. Period.

Crawford can change that, by taking the easy route to a 2x welterweight undisputed - never done before in the four belt era. Fans would call for him to do that.

Marks would excuse the ducking and be hypocrites, trashing the man’s opponents BEFORE he beat them, but not after. Because that’s exactly what you did.

[ShoulderRoll]

Shane Mosley was a HoFer but certainly not an ATG.

You mean the caliber of Antonio Margarito, the one who got caught cheating for using loaded gloves? The one that had a 37-5 record with 27 KO that was coming off 3 consecutive KO wins leading up to the match with Mosely, but after his gloves were busted he went 1-3 with no KOs then retired two years after fighting Mosley?

Narvaez was coming off a win against a top 10 superfly weight contender Felipe Orucuta three month prior to Inoue's fight. He was not busted with tampering with his gloves nor a proven PED user, and he didn't retire shortly after losing to Narvaez.

So Narvaez beating Felix Orcuta by decision is on par with Mosley knocking out Antonio Margarito?

[ShoulderRoll]

Well #1, Shane is far from an ATG.

#2, even if he was, he's a PED cheat and you said PED cheats can't be ATG's so how could he be an ATG to you?

#3, you're just moving the goalposts constantly.

You said, Navarez being #1 at 39 means the division must be weak, yet, I can name you numerous examples were the #1 guy in the division is that age or there about and it isn't weak.

Therefore, your point is dumb, as per usual.

If Shane was on PEDs during his run at 135 through the first Oscar De La Hoya fight then yeah, that should disqualify him from consideration for ATG.

[Elheath]

So Narvaez beating Felix Orcuta by decision is on par with Mosley knocking out Antonio Margarito?

Against Antonio Margarito without his loaded gloves that likely put him up to that position to begin with, and was probably mentally out of the match before it started, knowing his cheating scheme got revealed? Definitely, yes.

Question back to you, do you really think that Margarito got all his signature KO wins leading up to the Mosley match without cheating and his ranking was legit, but suddenly decided that he needed to try to cheat for the first time in his career against Mosley but unfortunately got busted before the match? It is a coincidence he never got another KO win afterwards and retired at age 33 (he returned five years later for three matches in Mexico against mediocre guys but that doesn't really change his rating so whatever).

[ShoulderRoll]

Against Antonio Margarito without his loaded gloves that likely put him up to that position to begin with, and was probably mentally out of the match before it started, knowing his cheating scheme got revealed? Definitely, yes.

Question back to you, do you really think that Margarito got all his signature KO wins leading up to the Mosley match without cheating and his ranking was legit, but suddenly decided that he needed to try to cheat for the first time in his career against Mosley but unfortunately got busted before the match? It is a coincidence he never got another KO win afterwards and retired at age 33 (he returned five years later for three matches in Mexico against mediocre guys but that doesn't really change his rating so whatever).

We can’t say with any certainty that Margarito always used illegal hand wraps. It would just be assumption and supposition.

[Elheath]

We can’t say with any certainty that Margarito always used illegal hand wraps. It would just be assumption and supposition.

Margarito hasn't been proven because it is impossible to travel back in time and check his handwrap after every match he had. He also hasn't been proven to have been fighting legally up until the first Cotto fight either. The only thing proven as an absolute FACT is that Margarito was found having illegal handwraps before the Mosley match, and that he fought Mosley without illegal handwraps and lost convincingly. It is also a fact that Margarito never got another KO victory ever again after that, and that he lost against Cotto in the rematch that occurred after the handwrap scandal. The truth can never be proven, so people can only believe what they think in their opinion, and rate the accomplishments of a boxer with a combination of facts and opinions.

So question, by your personal OPINION do you think Margarito was using illegal handwraps from before the Mosley fight including the Cotto fight that happened half a year before Mosley? Not asking if he deserves being assumed guilty or not, but just your personal opinion, a simple yes or no?

[IronDanHamza]

If Shane was on PEDs during his run at 135 through the first Oscar De La Hoya fight then yeah, that should disqualify him from consideration for ATG.

What do you mean “IF”? This is the same deflective nonsense you did when you said Toney was an ATG who’s also a PED cheat.

Mosley is an admitted PED cheat, so what are you talking about “if”? There’s no if about it.

So neither of those two can be ATG’s in your book, why don’t you admit that instead of deflecting it?

And regardless anyway, even without PED use neither of those are close to being ATG’s. Especially Shane Mosley who’s no where even remotely close to that kind of status, PED use or not.

And then even then if he was, your point is STILL retarded and illogical about Navarez being 39 therefore his division must be weak.

[IronDanHamza]

We can’t say with any certainty that Margarito always used illegal hand wraps. It would just be assumption and supposition.

Hold on, you didn’t. You didn’t just say Margarito using illegal handwraps is an assumption and supposition when he was caught using illegal handwraps but then also hold the position that Francis Ngannou is “assuredly on PEDs” despite the fact he’s never failed a drug test and underwent 24/7 365 USADA testing for close to a decade

Have you just discovered that word, supposition?

Because your position on Ngannou being “assuredly on PEDs” is the literal definition of a supposition.

[Teetotaler69]

If Shane was on PEDs during his run at 135 through the first Oscar De La Hoya fight then yeah, that should disqualify him from consideration for ATG.

Hamza is absolutely annihilating you dumb fvkc