Casual Fans overlooking Fury's mastery of his Era?

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This. No other champion in boxing would get a pass for that.

Charlo hasn't defended his belt at all in 2+ years

Like i say, if any boxer had an opportunity to earn 50 million for fighting a non-boxer, they would take it and wouldn't think twice.

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Charlo hasn't defended his belt at all in 2+ years

And who's giving him a pass for that? Charlo gets universally roasted for his inactivity.

What happened to your Fury avatar, also?

[dan-b]

This. No other champion in boxing would get a pass for that.

It's a pointless discussion, because those defending Luke are so emotionally invested they can't be reasoned with. Their only response is to try to change the subject by talking about AJ, like one of the weirdos above.

You're either committed to seeing a credible sport, or you're committed to living vicariously through one particular public figure. It's obvious which category Luke's defenders fall into.

AJ and Wilder are virtually hasbeens already, they're only relevant because of how poor the division is. Fury - Usyk is the only fight that matters, with the winner defending against Zhang at some point. I don't care about any other heavyweight fights.

[PRINCEKOOL]

The very fact that Fury's hardcore fans have to make a thread like this, is proof that Fury's as a fighter and definitively as a Champion is overrated 'And people are starting to become aware of that'.

It is not your responsibility guys, stop lying and betraying yourselves on a weekly basis 'Only Tyson Fury can turn this around for himself, by fighting top contenders and behaving like a all-time great Champion in conduct'.

Tyson Fury has two mega wins on his resume, I would say they are the best wins in terms of historical magnitude of this era 'Kiltschko & Wilder'.

But outside of that Fury has barely fought at World level, 80-90% if his career has mostly been at domestic and High European level.

Most of Fury's now current reputation is built up off beating Deontay Wilder. Fury's now reputation is not really built up off beating Kiltschko.

Fury beat KIltschko over the distance, then unfortunately did not rematch him 'It was a injustice that a Champion of almost a decade was denied a rematch'.

Contrary to popular believe of the hardcore Fury fans Kiltschko never retired. Kiltschko initiated his rematch vs Fury 'Fury kept on pulling out of their scheduled rematch, so after Kiltschko enduring 3 back to back training camps, he fought Anthony Joshua 'Joshua then beat up and knocked out Kiltschko in the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years'.

That was ultimately when a new Heavyweight era was ordained.

Note: For sure Tyson Fury is a great fighter, for sure when really pushed he can step up and is a big time performer in the clutch. But he does not have the statistics which prove that he is a all-time great Champion. Tyson Fury has defended his WBC Heavyweight title 4 times, twice vs Wilder, once vs Whyte and then Chisora that is it 'And their is definitive evidence that might be it'.

Since the Deontay Wilder trilogy, Fury seems not to be as enthusiastic in fighting other top level Heavyweights. Tyson Fury did not win the first Wilder fight, you don't win world titles by being backed up all night and decked twice once badly, the fight was a draw 'Overall it was a tough trilogy for Fury and he was battered, their is definitive evidence that Wilder has alter Fury on some level as a fighter'.

Currently right now I would rate Tyson Fury's WBC Heavyweight reign as one of the worst WBC Championship reigns in all divisions for the past 25 years .

But we are at a point now were Fury has been backed into a corner, he ether fights Usyk next or Zhang because those are his nearest competition. I think the Joshua fight right now is not warranted Joshua is a contender now and needs to legitimately fight his way back into title contention.

I personally rate Tyson Fury as the number 1 Heavyweight, because he has the two best wins in terms of historical magnitude on his resume 'And he is still unbeaten'. But their is no evidence that he is miles better than his nearest competition, to the level were his fans seems to think he does not need to fight anybody 'And he has been bestowed with a greatness that he has yet to achieve' etc.

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Wilders not doing fury any favours by not beating anyone. I mean if wilder best Zhang and josh, fury win over wilder wouldn't look too bad.
Fury wants to dine on that win, but wilder don't want to help fury out

[Willow The Wisp]

He beat 3 guys in 10 years, oh, what a master, I am speechless.

I am sure the history will recognize him something like Lennox, Ali, Holmes, you know, the guys that actually fought all contenders.

No issue with that.
Lennox, Holmes, Ali and a number of others ABSOLUTELY get Gold standard credit for Dominating their respective eras by meeting massive numbers of challengers and repelling their challenges.

Fury? He's unfinished business if he's ever going to match those greats regarding THAT PARTICULAR aspect of legacy.

But for the time being, at least.....

He equals them all in terms of standing tall over his era,
and he EXCEEDS them in terms of Never Ever having lost.

There are many paths to Godhead.

[Willow The Wisp]

Wilders not doing fury any favours by not beating anyone. I mean if wilder best Zhang and josh, fury win over wilder wouldn't look too bad.
Fury wants to dine on that win, but wilder don't want to help fury out

I want to see Wilder vs. Joshua very badly.
To my mind, in terms of wrapping up the outgoing era and solidifying a forced rank for posterity, only Fury - Usyk and Fury - Joshua are in the same league.

I was the lone wolf selling the potential of Zhang on this board as far as I can tell, and his arrival put him through Hrgovic and Joyce to now demand that he get a title shot from either Fury, a tough fight for him; or Usyk, who I envision Zhang figuring out, trapping and stopping.

Wilder 24' and Zhang 24' is a pick-em' IMO, and neither should be forced into a fight that hard without big bucks and a title on the line while Fury plays MMA and Usyk wreaths on the canvas from a belt blow.

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Charlo hasn't defended his belt at all in 2+ years

Like i say, if any boxer had an opportunity to earn 50 million for fighting a non-boxer, they would take it and wouldn't think twice.

There is no question that Fury is not taking this MMA fight "to prove he is versatile" lol... I mean 50 million is a lot of money and it does make sense this incentivizes the fight... That is why I say, lets see what Fury does after he gets his bag... Fury is never predictable and might well self promote a fight... if he thinks Arum is not getting him what he can get. I mean you never know with the Gypsy king lol.

[deathofaclown]

I personally think Fury is overrated. He was on PEDs for his best win against Klitschko,

He tested clean for that fight

The failed test was from before the Hammer fight

[deathofaclown]

He really needs to at least beat Usyk to leave no doubts about this era. Beating AJ would help too but that would just be for good measure at this point.

lets be honest, older fighters get a pass on their resume for some reason. Ali, Smokin Joe etc all fought a handful of good fighters but they also fought a LOT of garbage too.

Usyk, Fury etc would get crucified today if they were fighting someone like Wepner, Terry Daniels, Ron Stander, Jean Coopman, Jimmy Young etc..

Some of them is not even like fighting Chisora, more like fighting Dave Allen.

There's a lot of sentiment in boxing but the old timers would get torn apart for their choice of opponents if they lived in the age of social media.

Add the Usyk win to Fury's resume and its about as decent as most of yesteryears beloved fighters in terms of the ratio of good and weak fighters they faced. People just forget all these guys were fighting journeymen the majority of the time