Casual Fans overlooking Fury's mastery of his Era?

[_Rexy_]

History will indeed look fondly on that Chisora trilogy.

[kafkod]

I always founds Wlad's supposed establishment of new lineage when he beat Ruslan Chagaev a little dubious. The Ring recognised it too, but wasn't Chagaev actually ranked 3?

Yes, Chagaev was ranked No 3. But back then the Ring title and the lineal were regarded as more or less synonymous.

[kafkod]

History will indeed look fondly on that Chisora trilogy.

Yes, especially as it came hot on the heels of Fury's other trilogy with Wilder. That trilogy double, with another title holder and several undefeated contenders all clamouring for a shot at Tyson, was indeed a historic achievement.

[Dr. Z]

Well, Fury's been around awhile now, breaking into the top 10 eleven years ago. Hrgovic and Zhang are fairly new entries to the top.

Usyk is up next, and Joshua and Parker have collectively lost to Joyce, Whyte, Joshua, Ruiz, Usyk twice - 6 losses. All while Fury sat on the throne undefeated.

Calling him out for being a jackass, failing to live up to commitments, running his mouth at 10 times the speed he actually fights, failing to do 10 situps for seasoned MMA boxer Ngannou and having a thin resume, especially for a guy who's sat on the title for 8 freekin' years? 100% legitimate.

But there he is, still undefeated, still commanding millions and millions. Still the holder of the Sullivan, Johnson, Dempsey, Louis title. What can I say?

He's a hard guy to defend.

Maybe Usyk will knock him off.

Fury is lucky in the score card TWICE. The value of his oppomets when he fought them relate to his peers of other lineal heavyweight champions is poor.

[_Rexy_]

Yes, Chagaev was ranked No 3. But back then the Ring title and the lineal were regarded as more or less synonymous.

Also, Vitali was No. 2 so they made the exception knowing that 1 and 2 would never fight.

[kafkod]

Also, Vitali was No. 2 so they made the exception knowing that 1 and 2 would never fight.

It was understandable that the brothers didn't want to fight each other. But the fact that Vitali was the WBC champion at that time and most fans, including me, thought he was better than Wlad, was the main reason why I never agreed with the view that Wlad should be regarded as the lineal champ. It made no sense to me back then and it still makes no sense to me now.

And it was while thinking about that whole mess that I had a kind of eureka moment and realised that, with 4 world title belts and several gaps in the man-who-beat-the-man line of succession, there was no such thing as a lineal title any more and no reason to even think about who should be regarded as the lineal champ when there was no undisputed champ.

[_Rexy_]

It was understandable that the brothers didn't want to fight each other. But the fact that Vitali was the WBC champion at that time and most fans, including me, thought he was better than Wlad, was the main reason why I never agreed with the view that Wlad should be regarded as the lineal champ. It made no sense to me back then and it still makes no sense to me now.

And it was while thinking about that whole mess that I had a kind of eureka moment and realised that, with 4 world title belts and several gaps in the man-who-beat-the-man line of succession, there was no such thing as a lineal title any more and no reason to even think about who should be regarded as the lineal champ when there was no undisputed champ.

Vitali was 100% better than Wlad. I loved watching Vitali and hated Wlad lol.

[Willow The Wisp]

You are not acknowledging history, you are ignoring history and trying to impose your own pedantic opinions in its place.

There was no historical precedent or justification for Wlad Klitschko being recognised as lineal champ when he never beat a lineal champion in the ring and was never the undisputed champ.

There was no historical precedent or justification for Tyson Fury still being the lineal champion after he announced his retirement, relinquished all his championship belts and handed in his boxing licence.

And there was no historical precedent or justification for Fury, when he came back without any title belts, fighting unranked bums like Seferi and Pianetta in "lineal title defences"

Young Fellow,

https://boxing.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_lineal_boxing_world_champions

Your argument is not with me, alone.

But to show that YOU are not unique, or a lone voice in the wilderness -
Others who share your interpretation of the world around you, and your flair for rhetoric and rebuttal:


https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

I hope that this doesn't silence your enthusiasm. I am eager for more of your blood.

[Coverdale]

This was a good thread to reread, for a number of reasons. Good discussion about the lineal in here billeau2