I don’t understand the term “weight bully”.

[dan_cov]

Weight bullying is a very real thing and we see it an awful lot in these smaller divisions. It can be and often is a huge advantage.
Taking advantage of a very flawed system that shouldn't have been changed in the first place coupled with todays advances and access to such stuff as saunas, ice baths, supplementation and prolific drug use its dangerous and frankly something needs to change.

A guy like Zurdo competing at SMW like come on is it any wonder he is just walking through everything.

For me there are two options you either ignore it or speak out and hope for change.

For me I will always hold a Mayweather, Rigondeaux, Ward, Bernard Hopkins, guys that fought at their natural weights and didn't drain 20-25-30lbs to pick on little guys in much higher regard than I ever would a Zurdo, Callum Smith, Benavidez and the likes. Granted they are in higher regard and always will be but the point I am making is it impresses me a lot more than someone with a 4" height and reach advantage and 15+ lbs on opponents ever will.

They might have same rules but not everybody has the same genetics, bone or tissue density, resources or abides to those rules.
Its an issue, it shouldn't be ignored, we shouldn't pretend its not rife and dangerous.

If it wasn't such an advantage we wouldn't have them all at it and looking for short cuts and such

[dan_cov]

Devin is a weight bully and I just hope it doesn't come back to haunt him he can still somehow make it because of his youth but that guy looks like he is seconds away from death everytime I see him step on the scale. If he isn't careful he'll end up like that big galoot we seen starched at the weekend.

He is drained and I think personally it effects his power.

Imo we won't see the best Haney until he moves up. I think we'll see a harder-hitting more durable version.

I'm a big fan but he needs to move up asap

[drablj]

weight bully is someone who rehydrates too much. "too much" is subjective. queeny mentioned a term i like - water bully.

[Teetotaler69]

"I just don't understand it whatsoever" lmfao cmon man you can't be that dumb. Do I have to school you again?

[joseph5620]

No. I'll tell you what's going to happen. Loma is going to beat Devin, and then when I come back here and post: "Loma just kicked Devin 'Huggies' Haney's ass, despite his being a weight bully and blowing up to a middleweight. Despite Haney having a decade of youth on his side, he lost to that little, old man." And once I post that, you're not going to make a peep.

You and my stalker, joseph5620 , are going to be mighty quiet for awhile. That's basically what's going to happen.

You better hope that's what happens. This fight is obviously way more important to you than it is to me. I'm not worried at all. I've already said this is a 50/50 fight. But you just guaranteed a Lomachenko victory. You said he going to kick Haney's ass. If it doesn't happen in the way you guaranteed you'll be humiliated

No amount of weight or age excuses will save you from what you're going to get if that happens LOL


BTW, I know about your terrible and inaccurate prediction for Haney-Kambosos. I've seen your terrible analysis. "Kambosos is faster with better timing. " You obviously predict fights based on your emotions lol

[War Room]

Devin is a weight bully and I just hope it doesn't come back to haunt him he can still somehow make it because of his youth but that guy looks like he is seconds away from death everytime I see him step on the scale. If he isn't careful he'll end up like that big galoot we seen starched at the weekend.

He is drained and I think personally it effects his power.

Imo we won't see the best Haney until he moves up. I think we'll see a harder-hitting more durable version.

I'm a big fan but he needs to move up asap

I respect you for this post considering you're such a Haney fan.

weight bully is someone who rehydrates too much. "too much" is subjective. queeny mentioned a term i like - water bully.

Weight bully is someone who fights at weights below his natural weight. Rehydrating too much is not subjective, there is an reasonable algorithm to follow.

Over 15lbs is a benchmark to live by. If you're weighing in at 135 and by fight night you're 150+, you're creating an unreasonable advantage.

[Cypocryphy]

You better hope that's what happens. This fight is obviously way more important to you than it is to me. I'm not worried at all. I've already said this is a 50/50 fight. But you just guaranteed a Lomachenko victory. You said he going to kick Haney's ass. If it doesn't happen in the way you guaranteed you'll be humiliated

No amount of weight or age excuses will save you from what you're going to get if that happens LOL

Ahahahahah!! Ahahahahah!!! Look at you!! Look at you try to hedge!!! LMAO! Deep down you know I'm right, so now you're trying to hedge it so that it's not enough for Loma to win, he has to "KICK HANEY'S ASS," which of course you'll define so that you can be a weasel and say, "Yeah, he won but he didn't kick his ass!" Okay ... I see how it is ...

[Roadblock]

That's not true at all. People are so intellectually disingenuous here. It's unreal. This is not some subjective assessment here. This is not about favoritism. It's not about discrimination. It's about calling it as it is. I was on here railing on Zurdo for the same exact reason.

Before this day-before weigh-in bull****, fighters were weighing in on the same day. It made fights (1) safer and (2) more competitive. I mean, really, does no one but a few people in this thread understand weight classes? Right now, it seems to me that from RJJ-94-02=GOAT to Joseph5620 don't understand why we even have weight classes because, if they did, this thread wouldn't even exist nor would the arguments for validating Haney's 24 pound rehydration.
Weight classes in boxing allow for fighters to put their skills and fighting instincts against evenly matched opponents. Heavier fighters have a greater advantage with power and the ability to absorb punishment over lighter combatants.
Given the violent nature of boxing, weight classes are important to ensure that smaller fighters are protected from being unnecessarily injured by larger opponents. Many smaller fighters might feel they have the skills that could see them beat a larger fighter but for their safety they may not ever get the opportunity.

OnePunch mentioned Gatti vs Gamache because that is a perfect example of what goes wrong when fighters fight an opponent who's weight bullying. It has nothing to do with playing favorites but everything to do with having a sport where competetors are evenly matched for the enjoyment of others and for the safety of the fighters in the ring. As I have said before, the difference in weight at this level is huge, and a fighter who comes in heavier will have the ability to (1) dish out more punishment and (2) take more punishment. So in an effort to make things as safe as possible, as well as evenly matched as possible, we have weight classes.

Fighters in the past were going out of their way to make weight on the same day of the fight to their detriment, so in order to prevent deaths and injury to fighters, the rules were amended to allow for a 24 period of rehydration. This was clearly the wrong approach. It would have been better to put in measures to force fighters struggling to make weight into the next weight class. Maybe one day this mistake will be fixed.

I think your missing the point, if a guy can lose more weight where it doesn't hurt him and be at the large end of the scale for that weight class, all is fair , its under the same rules, either he has different body fluid ratios than the other guy or a better team in managing the drying out to make weight, by calling him a weight bully your only saying that's his mojo, be like saying he is good because his has longer reach, hits hard because his calves are massive, these are all attributes under the same rules and will always give advantage and disadvantage because fighters are physically different and a weightclass is a 7lb spread, to a modern fighter that's a lot from the smallest fighting the biggest but its within the rules they all agree to fight under, in my eyes weight bully is like saying Floyd was a reach bully it makes no sense, yes its an advantage but a God-given one that's managed right

[joseph5620]

Ahahahahah!! Ahahahahah!!! Look at you!! Look at you try to hedge!!! LMAO! Deep down you know I'm right, so now you're trying to hedge it so that it's not enough for Loma to win, he has to "KICK HANEY'S ASS," which of course you'll define so that you can be a weasel and say, "Yeah, he won but he didn't kick his ass!" Okay ... I see how it is ...

Hedging? I never made a prediction you lying dumbass LOL. Go find where I made a prediction on this fight. When you can't find it you'll be exposed as a liar.

I don't think you're right at all. Are you too dumb to understand what 50/50 means? It means that either fighter can win. You just guaranteed a Lomachenko victory. That's setting yourself up for humiliation. That's not the same thing at all. Haney has a good chance of winning and vice versa. It's a competitive fight.


How did your Haney-Kambosos prediction turn out for you?


"Kambosos is faster with better timing " "Weight cut will make Haney sluggish" "Don't be surprised if George breaks Haney down and drops him"

[Cypocryphy]

I think your missing the point, if a guy can lose more weight where it doesn't hurt him and be at the large end of the scale for that weight class, all is fair , its under the same rules, either he has different body fluid ratios than the other guy or a better team in managing the drying out to make weight, by calling him a weight bully your only saying that's his mojo, be like saying he is good because his has longer reach, hits hard because his calves are massive, these are all attributes under the same rules and will always give advantage and disadvantage because fighters are physically different and a weightclass is a 7lb spread, to a modern fighter that's a lot from the smallest fighting the biggest but its within the rules they all agree to fight under, in my eyes weight bully is like saying Floyd was a reach bully it makes no sense, yes its an advantage but a God-given one that's managed right

I'm not missing the point YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT. Not me. YOU. Here you are talking about whether the fighter making weight is at risk for injury. I never mentioned any such thing. I'm talking about the fighter who has to fight the guy making weight and rehydrating 20 plus pounds. That's whose safety is in question. Not the guy making weight; the guy fighting the guy striking himself and then blowing back up in weight.

As I said before, there are examples of guys being seriously hurt from weight bullies. You also see fights were there will always be an asterisk because people will wonder: Did he just beat him because he weighed so much more than him? Was it because he just didn't have the skill to compete, so he relied on his size and weight?

But the bottom line is that the safety of the boxers who make weight and rehydrate normally is in danger from the boxers who have found loop holes in the rules to gain an advantage. When these rules were made, we didn't have the means we have now to shrink and rehydrate. It has become very sophisticated. On top of that, it's hard to prove someone is cheating through IV use, and to be honest, if you're rehydrating more than 12 pounds in a 24 hour period, I presume that fluids are being taken in intravenously based on the medical literature on the subject.