I don’t understand the term “weight bully”.

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  • Cypocryphy
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    #51
    Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT

    You seem very emotional about this man.

    Hearns like Haney had several physical advantages fighting at 147/154 but like Haney always made the weight so there was no issue.

    What you fail to understand is there is no height limit, no reach limit, no size limit, there’s only a weight limit. So if a fighter makes the weight, what exactly is he doing wrong?
    Here, I'm sure you've read this or an article like this, but this was about the suit Ganache filed.
    It may seem to some like the wrong time to talk about this nearly decade-old black eye on boxing given the recent death of Arturo Gatti, and I sort of skimmed past it out of respect for what Gatti did in his career when we discussed his legacy, but there's no mistaking the fact that Gatti's controversial 2000 knockout of Joey Gamache is a story that shouldn't go away until something is done.

    I loved watching Arturo Gatti. I was a huge fan of his, as pretty much everyone that loves boxing was. But that February night nine and a half years ago when Gatti knocked Gamache unconscious still sits wrong with a lot of people, and Gamache himself, who nearly died from the fight, is still in court trying to find justice.
    The judge in the case, Melvin Schweitzer, winced several times during the video, apparently troubled by what took place.

    Gamache nearly died in the hospital that night, and sustained permanent brain damage from the nearly six minutes of action.

    Soon after, he sued the New York State Athletic Commission for negligence, claiming that Gatti was allowed to weigh in over the contracted weight limit of 141 pounds. Gatti entered the ring with what appeared to be a considerable size advantage.

    For those that have seen the fight, or even a photo of the two in the ring together, it's hard to argue that Gatti didn't clearly have a size advantage. He did. The weigh-in was the source of much controversy, as it seemed the scales may have been tampered with. They agreed to fight at 141 pounds. Gamache made the limit fine. Most believe Gatti did not, including highly-respected boxing journalist Thomas Hauser:
    "I don't know anybody outside of the Gatti camp who seriously maintains that Gatti made weight for that fight. They jumped him on and off the scale very quickly. It seemed pretty clear to me that someone at the commission had been told in advance that there might be a problem and the response was, 'Don't worry about it.'"

    On fight night, HBO's unofficial scales had Gamache at 145 pounds. Gatti weighed 160. And though Joey Gamache has been left brain damaged by the fight that nearly killed him and ended his career, but he doesn't blame Gatti:
    "He was a fighter, just doing what he's supposed to do," Gamache says of Gatti. "The commission was supposed to protect us fighters."

    Arturo Gatti was scheduled to testify for both sides in this case. We'll never know what might've happened with that. Now, nobody but Gatti's team and the people involved with the weigh-in really know for sure, and the article, while very interesting (especially taking boxing jargon and knowledge into the courtroom), is an emotionally told tale. Still, you can't help but continue to wonder if Gamache's life could have been totally different, and if it should have been. It's one of those terrible stories that shouldn't be forgotten.

    Last edited by Cypocryphy; 04-11-2023, 11:39 PM.

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    • BodyBagz
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      #52
      A more famous weight bully match is Gatti vs Gamache

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        #53
        Originally posted by Cypocryphy

        Here, I'm sure you've read this or an article like this, but this was about the suit Ganache filed.
        I think everyone that was alive during that time watching boxing remember that fight, but at the same time, Gatti didn't make weight. Haney hasn't missed weight. Shakur has.

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          #54
          Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT

          You seem very emotional about this man.

          Hearns like Haney had several physical advantages fighting at 147/154 but like Haney always made the weight so there was no issue.

          What you fail to understand is there is no height limit, no reach limit, no size limit, there’s only a weight limit. So if a fighter makes the weight, what exactly is he doing wrong?
          he's doing nothing wrong because when everyone's favorite fighters are rehydrating 20+ lbs, no one has a problem with it. It only becomes a problem when their favorite fighter is about to get their azzes whipped.

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          • Cypocryphy
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            #55
            Originally posted by buddyr

            I think everyone that was alive during that time watching boxing remember that fight, but at the same time, Gatti didn't make weight. Haney hasn't missed weight. Shakur has.
            Yeah, that wasn't good either. Shakur also hit Robson below the belt like a hundred times too. This is not about Haney specifically either or about favorite fighters or fighters one dislikes. This is about all fighters who rehydrate 20 plus pounds. I was saying the same thing when Zurdo came in the ring as a heavyweight and pulverized that guy from Germany.

            I have a su****ion that one day you'll be making a post complaining about weight bullies when your favorite fighter is up against someone who rehydrated 20 to 30 pounds above the weight class. We'll see.

            But the point of this post is asking what a weight bully is, and I think it can't be explained any better than it already has been.

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              #56
              If you can make the weight then who gives a ****

              Midget Loma can fight at 130 if he wants to

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              • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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                #57
                Originally posted by Cypocryphy

                Here, I'm sure you've read this or an article like this, but this was about the suit Ganache filed.
                Gatti failed to make weight though.

                If Haney makes the weight, I don’t see the issue, don’t the IBF have a rehydration clause too? Surely he’d have to adhere to that being their belt holder.

                Even so, there’s no universal rule preventing a fighter from rehydrating. They just have to make the weight.

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                • buddyr
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Cypocryphy

                  Yeah, that wasn't good either. Shakur also hit Robson below the belt like a hundred times too. This is not about Haney specifically either or about favorite fighters or fighters one dislikes. This is about all fighters who rehydrate 20 plus pounds. I was saying the same thing when Zurdo came in the ring as a heavyweight and pulverized that guy from Germany.

                  I have a su****ion that one day you'll be making a post complaining about weight bullies when your favorite fighter is up against someone who rehydrated 20 to 30 pounds above the weight class. We'll see.

                  But the point of this post is asking what a weight bully is, and I think it can't be explained any better than it already has been.
                  I am approaching 50 years old. I've been watching boxing since I was 5 years old on sunday afternoon NBC. If I haven't complained about that by now, why would I start? I've always said that Jared Hurd is HUGE for 154, but then I'd say as long as he makes weight, there isn't a problem. The diffrence between me and you guys is that I don't have favorite fighters anymore. Promoters, title organizations, cherry picking, and inactivity has f*ked up the sport. This thread and the 20 or so about "weight bullying" are strictly Lomachenko threads disguised as BS fans acting like they care about some kind of unwritten rules. Stop the nonsense. I wouldn't care if a figther rehydrates 100 lbs. As long as they make weight, there shouldn't be a problem.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by buddyr

                    This thread and the 20 or so about "weight bullying" are strictly Lomachenko threads disguised as BS fans acting like they care about some kind of unwritten rules. Stop the nonsense. I wouldn't care if a figther rehydrates 100 lbs. As long as they make weight, there shouldn't be a problem.
                    How’s this a Loma thread when I’m defending Haney?

                    You Loma and Haney fans are nuts man. Both fanbases are constantly whining.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT

                      How’s this a Loma thread when I’m defending Haney?

                      You Loma and Haney fans are nuts man. Both fanbases are constantly whining.
                      i didn't explain myself thoroughly hahaha. I didn't mean to throw a shot at you. THIS thread really isn't dissing haney, but a lot of others are. My bad on that. but I get what you're saying. I don't understand the term either. I was wrong for that. lol. I'm not really a "fan" of anyone above 126 because these guys truly don't want to fight each other. There are a few guys I like, but a lot of fighters just don't want to fight each other.
                      Last edited by buddyr; 04-12-2023, 12:15 PM.

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