Mayweather vs Sugar Ray Leonard??

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No he doesn't.Leonard was as well rounded and vertasile as any boxer has been over the past thirty years,Leonard never attempted to box Mayweather Sr,he took the fight right to him and battered him,he never used his jab at any point in the fight and went straight at him and battered him on the ropes.

If Mayweather tried counter punching Leonard then he would be met with a counter of his own.

If you've watched enough of Leonard then you would know he could fight at calm,tactical pace and could do so brilliantly,simply working behind his jab and looking for sport to pick on.

Leonard's style is all wrong for counter punchers.

good point.. Ray did use his jab somewhat in the 1st fight, but only a pawing jab, to illicit offensive response from mayweather sr, in which Ray could counter, at that is exactly what he did. Mayweather sr was no where near the defensive fighter mayweather jr was, but he was very quick, and had roughly the same irrelevant punching power.

What this idiot (ray whatever his post name is) does not realize is that Leonard has fought fast fighters, Hearns was fast, mayweather sr was fast,
Duran was fast. Now a different type of fast, and I give the edge to Mayweather in the category if reflexes and defense whish results in very fast counters.

What this idiot who clearly never boxed does not know or needs to go to a gym and stop ready boxingscene for his knowledge is that speed is not just hand or foot speed. It has to do with a little bit of everthing, and your speed is magnified when

Your have the reach on your opponent
You do not have to worry about what is coming back in return
Your opponent is aged
Your opponent is smaller
Your opponent has no substance

Look at all of his opponents they all are lacking in one or two of these areas...Who has mayweather fought that he will have to give 100% of himself to beat. Each fighter he has a decided advantage against simply because of the flaws of the fighter.

Corrales - 69 in reach ....
Castillo...had equal reach and a good style and Mayweather could not do anything with him,...barely beat him. Actually to many he lost the 1st fight
DLH - Mayweather could do nothing while DlH had his legs..He sat back and lay on the ropes, couple of good counter shots...Now imagine if that had been a peak Hearns or Duran he was facing...Much less a Leoanrd....WTF is this idiot talking about.
Judah,,every fighter who has faced him from spinks to clottery etc..Baldomir has taken his heart around round 4....same thing Maywether did
Hatton.. almost stopped by Calloze and looked horrible barely winning at 147...then when he faced a feather weight name paq...he was knocked clean after 2 rounds...destroyedin the 1st...
JMM..Mayweather chose a featherweight instead of welterweight to fight.. He did drop him and easily beat him (had advantage of age, size, speed, weight, reach, ) but coul never hurt him...

Why no fights vs big great or very good peak welters. I wonder why. Why did mayweather accept challenges from JMM and Hatton, but not Cotto, Mosley, Margerito who challenged him face to face and had 8mill on the table, Williams.. I wonder why Raywhatever his screen name is on here..refuses to admit this, and discuss this.

I am a very honest person, Mayweather pound per pound is a top fighter. Lets give him his credit. However, at Welterweight he has proved nothing. For those that say so. I ask convince us his resume at Welter justifies he is a top all time welter, vs the likes of a leoanrd, robinson, hearns. Who has he beat at Welter and address it.

If Mayweather fought a leoanrd it would be career suicide. First off based off his record, he would avoid a fight vs leoanrd. Just look at how he has avoide much lesser fighters. This is like Leonard vs Jones at middle, no matter how good leoanrd is at Welter, he moves up to a bigger faster or just as fast, fighter who even has less boxing skills than Ray or mayweather. but Roy has the physical advantages and Ray would not be able to make Jones pay. Roy could walk ray down at Middle and neglect his speed and walk through the punches like he did Trinidad and launch his own punches..Hmmm Just like Leoanrd did Mayweather sr..(who had the shoulder roll) Yes ray has good defense and great counter..but vs Jones it would not matter, he would be forced to fight backwards, Same would have Mayweather vsLeoanrd. Yes mayweather can counter, but he would not be able to keep ray off of him. His offense is nowhere near able to compete with ray. Yes he lands hight percentage, but his volume is low and get this, he has the reach on every fighter he has faced, he would not have the reach, speed, height, power nothing on peak Ray. Thus it would be a long long long brutal night for Mayweather vs Leoanrd.

Raywhateeveryour screen name..Your arguement should be pound per pound..Not welter, as you simply have nothing to justify him even being able to get a title fight vs a peak ray, when you have fighters much better and proven greatness at welter who would be aheadof him. Duran, Hearns, mosley, Dlh (peak), hell even pacquio has shown more heart already at welter than mayweather has. At least he is coming to fight any and everyone, even peak strong welter..your hoe boy Mayweather fights featherwieghts...

what a joke.

[The Underboss]

SRL all day.

[Jermaine83]

At welterweight?

Leonard knocks Mayweather out late after toying with him from round 3 or 4 on.

you know what yeah,,no disrespect mate but your comment is so damn childish...I know Sugar ray Leo was a great great fighter but you are trying to tell me that he would toy with Mayweather????and then knock him out????
have you ever seen Mayweather been close to being knock down or even hurt..hes barely got caught..Realistically speaking if you guys think Sugar Ray would toy with the best fighter of this generation then what are you saying that no one in our era could beat all these old time fighters???
thats a load of crap...am not saying Mayweather would beat Sugar Ray but how the hell will he be outclassed....If I had to put a bet down on one of the 2 I would go with Mayweather..AINT NO NUT HUGGER,JUST MY OPINION!!Sugar was very exciting but we aint talking about excitment...its boxing..hit and dont be hit and we all know who the master of that is.....ok then...Put on my fly shorts and lace up my boots and fight...YA DIG!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

[djtmal]

Die hard Ray Leonard fan here but realistic. If you sit down and really break down when Ray fought a good defensive fighter in Wilfred Benitez it was somewhat of a struggle for Ray. Yes he had command of the fight, but Benitez made Ray miss often

Here is the difference. Floyd is much more in shape and has way better conditioning than Benitez had in that fight. Remember he only trained for like 2 weeks. If Floyd was fighting SRL i can picture him in the gym 24/7 and training his ass off and loving it. Floyd loves to train.

Another thing. Benitez had opportunities to counter when he made Ray miss but his punches were often wide a lot of the times and isn't nearly as quick a counterpuncher as Floyd. If that were Floyd and he made Ray miss he would nail Ray with quick short shots. There is a huge difference in the counterpunch speed between Floyd and Benitez and shortening of the punches. The straight right hand is there for Benitez if he had that in his arsenal.

I see this as a tossup.

i don't...srl walked floyd's pops down, i expect him to do the same to floyd...lol

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you know what yeah,,no disrespect mate but your comment is so damn childish...I know Sugar ray Leo was a great great fighter but you are trying to tell me that he would toy with Mayweather????and then knock him out????
have you ever seen Mayweather been close to being knock down or even hurt..hes barely got caught..Realistically speaking if you guys think Sugar Ray would toy with the best fighter of this generation then what are you saying that no one in our era could beat all these old time fighters???
thats a load of crap...am not saying Mayweather would beat Sugar Ray but how the hell will he be outclassed....If I had to put a bet down on one of the 2 I would go with Mayweather..AINT NO NUT HUGGER,JUST MY OPINION!!Sugar was very exciting but we aint talking about excitment...its boxing..hit and dont be hit and we all know who the master of that is.....ok then...Put on my fly shorts and lace up my boots and fight...YA DIG!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

I ask you again, who at Welter has Mayweather beaten to justify even Mayweather even being mentioned in the same breath as a Sugar Ray.

Now for Excitement vs style, quality, substance.

Mayweather is a geniuos at Defense. He is a very fast counter puncher. Very Smart, and tougher than what many people think he is.

However,

He has never faced a fighter who has the power in both hands at welter, and the speed to connect. DLH has no right hand, and was 36 years of age, only a jab, and Mayweather could not even deal with that until after DLH tired out.

Just some education for you talking heads about Mayweather. He will be able to make anyone miss, he is simply that good, however, you honestly think vs a Duran, Leoanrd, Hearns, that his duck avoid, lay back make miss, counter 2-3 times effectively most of the rounds, no power, approach would be a fighter like a Leonard, Hearns, Duran. Your ****in crazy.

First off when Mayweather makes a JMM miss, or a DLH miss, or a Judah miss, he was either able to counter and move with out gettin hit, because he had the reach advantage, the speed advantage, age advantage, size advantage, or simple the fighter loses to every good figher he has faced.

I wonder what would happen, when Mayweather fought a hearns who had a better jab than DLH...Hmmm faster than DLh at that stage in their career, hit much much harder, and had a great right hand which by the way is the one punch along with a jab you would have to use to vs the shoulder roll defense style... I wonder what would happen if the same Mayweather that faced DLh faced prime SRL, yes I could see Mayweather getting stopped easily. Do any of you even in a drunken state think Ray leoanrd would not be a much tougher foe, faster, stronger, much much much better stamina, just as good of jab, much much much better right hand, proven ability to beat great fighers (DLH not)...... and Mayweather barely beat him in a split decision...and mayweather was peak.... You honeslty think he has a chance to even win a round vs peak Leonard.

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You honeslty think he has a chance to even win a round vs peak Leonard.

being that it is floyd, maybe a round or 2, but srl's speed, reflexes, and combos would render that shoulder roll sh** defenseless...

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being that it is floyd, maybe a round or 2, but srl's speed, reflexes, and combos would render that shoulder roll sh** defenseless...

This would actually be a easy fight. Like how he beat his daddy. Ray would not have to respect Mayweather punching power, and he has the hand and foot speed to stay on top of mayweather..the reach to keep him at bay, and power for mayweather to have to respect him, the right hand that the shoulder roll does not defense only mayweather reflexes,

Easy fight......I see stoppage, mayweather sr and roger fighting in the corner, over throwing the towel in...

[RayLeonard82]

Question? In his prime when did SRL get a easy KO over a pound for pound top opponent? Most of his impressive quick knockouts came against Journeyman. Andy Price was solid but look how wild he punched. Watch the 1st round and how wide and slow his shots are. Price wouldn't be top 20 right now and neither wold Davey Boy Green who was a slow plodder.

Ray's big fights NONE were impressive quick knockouts. Actually they were controversial.

Duran - When you watch that fight again that wasn't a dominant performance like when Roy Jones destroyed James Toney in there big fight or Floyd dominating Diego Corrales which at the time was a big fight. I had Ray leading 4 rounds to 3 and all he was doing was running around the ring against a former lightweight. Floyd was actually more impressive against Oscar than Ray against Duran and the same with his performance against Marques. Floyd won his big fights more decisively.

Hearns - He was getting dominated and Hearns got tired and didn't know how to hold. If its a 12 round fight he loses a UD. Ref stopped it kinda early

Hagler - Waited until Hagler got old and slow and ran his way to a decision. Those under hand flurries would not have worked against a quick young fighter like a Michael Nunn, Mike McCallum, Julian Jackson. Hagler had slowed down a lot. Keep in mind Ray was nearly knocked out by a young Quincy Taylor in sparring and had it been a real fight he would have been stopped.


Ray was hurt bad by Duran who was at his best at 135 pounds and it was a short upercut in the 2nd round that did it. If Floyd lands his upercut he's hurting Ray.

Floyd is the more skilled of the two. Ray had great reflexes, great speed, but relied on his legs as his defense as Floyd sr said back in 1999. He said once Ray's legs weren't the same he started getting nailed with big shots. Floyd's defensive skills allow him to defend without having to get on the toes as much. He can block and counter from close range and his style is more suited for longevity.

Floyd has better defense, more experience, better counterpuncher

[RayLeonard82]

Here is a comparison between Benitez who took Ray to a tough 15 rounds and Floyd Mayweather jr and you will see Floyd is probably 5 times quicker than Benitez. Wilfred was a great defensive fighter even though he still got hit more than Floyd but his hand speed and counterpunch ability is about 5 notches below Floyd. Benitez wins this fightbut to me looks kinda slow.




Here is Floyd. The speed and sharpness of the punches is like comparing Jerry West to Kobe Bryant. West might have been great for that particular era and the best 2 guard but Kobe is another level of skill, athletic ability. If Ray had problems with Bneitez he's having major problems with Floyd who's much quicker and actually a better defensive fighter than Benitez. What mainly seperates the 2 is floyd's counterpunching off of a miss. Wilfred would make you miss but didn't counter nearly as well when he made you miss.

[bojangles1987]

you know what yeah,,no disrespect mate but your comment is so damn childish...I know Sugar ray Leo was a great great fighter but you are trying to tell me that he would toy with Mayweather????and then knock him out????
have you ever seen Mayweather been close to being knock down or even hurt..hes barely got caught..Realistically speaking if you guys think Sugar Ray would toy with the best fighter of this generation then what are you saying that no one in our era could beat all these old time fighters???
thats a load of crap...am not saying Mayweather would beat Sugar Ray but how the hell will he be outclassed....If I had to put a bet down on one of the 2 I would go with Mayweather..AINT NO NUT HUGGER,JUST MY OPINION!!Sugar was very exciting but we aint talking about excitment...its boxing..hit and dont be hit and we all know who the master of that is.....ok then...Put on my fly shorts and lace up my boots and fight...YA DIG!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

Leonard has every single advantage in this fight. Floyd would be the same kind of threat offensively to Leonard that Marquez was to Floyd: no threat at all. The size, speed, strength, and skill level Leonard had in his prime at welterweight is something no one today is even close to. I hate Leonard but come on, at welterweight there are very few fighters in boxing history who can match up to Sugar Ray. If you gave him a smaller counter puncher who tries to pot shot bigger guys, it doesn't matter how good Mayweather is he would get destroyed.