Mayweather vs Sugar Ray Leonard??

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Question? In his prime when did SRL get a easy KO over a pound for pound top opponent? Most of his impressive quick knockouts came against Journeyman. Andy Price was solid but look how wild he punched. Watch the 1st round and how wide and slow his shots are. Price wouldn't be top 20 right now and neither wold Davey Boy Green who was a slow plodder.

Ray's big fights NONE were impressive quick knockouts. Actually they were controversial.

Duran - When you watch that fight again that wasn't a dominant performance like when Roy Jones destroyed James Toney in there big fight or Floyd dominating Diego Corrales which at the time was a big fight. I had Ray leading 4 rounds to 3 and all he was doing was running around the ring against a former lightweight. Floyd was actually more impressive against Oscar than Ray against Duran and the same with his performance against Marques. Floyd won his big fights more decisively.

Hearns - He was getting dominated and Hearns got tired and didn't know how to hold. If its a 12 round fight he loses a UD. Ref stopped it kinda early

Hagler - Waited until Hagler got old and slow and ran his way to a decision. Those under hand flurries would not have worked against a quick young fighter like a Michael Nunn, Mike McCallum, Julian Jackson. Hagler had slowed down a lot. Keep in mind Ray was nearly knocked out by a young Quincy Taylor in sparring and had it been a real fight he would have been stopped.


Ray was hurt bad by Duran who was at his best at 135 pounds and it was a short upercut in the 2nd round that did it. If Floyd lands his upercut he's hurting Ray.

Floyd is the more skilled of the two. Ray had great reflexes, great speed, but relied on his legs as his defense as Floyd sr said back in 1999. He said once Ray's legs weren't the same he started getting nailed with big shots. Floyd's defensive skills allow him to defend without having to get on the toes as much. He can block and counter from close range and his style is more suited for longevity.

Floyd has better defense, more experience, better counterpuncher

Andy price would have went the distance vs Mayweather.

Your bogus arguement about Ray relying on his legs and when Rays legs weren't there...Shows how ****** you are...Becuz we are talklin about Prime ray vs Mayweather,not a shot Ray. So what is your point..a prime Leonard will have his legs, wouldnt he?

Everyone gives Mayweather defensive props..but defense does not score any points. Mayweather would be on the defensive all night. Unlike judah, ray would not self destruct, unlike dlh- ray would not tire out, unlike Jmm- Ray is not smaller, unlike hatton - ray was not peak at 140 and never agood welter, unlike Baldomir- ray is not a bum...

Here is your ****** ****** statemtn.."Hearns - He was getting dominated and Hearns got tired and didn't know how to hold. If its a 12 round fight he loses a UD. Ref stopped it kinda early" Did you see the fight. Leoanrd was not getting dominated. Round 6 and round 7 Leonard damm near stopped hearns, now didnt he. These generally are scored 10-8 rounds. 8th round was clealry Ray's round. Was hearns tired in the 6th, was he tired in the 7th. HMmm, now you want to talk about being tired. Dlh a shot 36 year old fighter who had lost most of his most recent fights, and a prime peak Mayweather was down 5-2 on at least 2 of the 3 judges scorecards after 7. Mayweathe could nothing vs a DLH who had his legs, he was getting beat. keep in mind Dlh has lost or barely beaten most good fighters he faced, so DLH was no legendary fighter. However a shot DLH was easily beating Mayweather in a boring fight. It was when he got tired that Mayweather came back. Maybe you should look at the fights you get on here.

Honestly out of everyone I have ever debated, you clearlly are the most ignorant.

Next you Say Floyd was impressive vs Oscar. Was he. That is the first I have ever heard Floyd was impressive in a SD win. 2ndly are you trying to compare a 36 year old Oscar DLH to a 29 year old Duran. Both moved up, but Oscar was shot, and at his heavist weight. Duran continued to move up and win titles in fact an additional 13 pounds and 2 weight classes heavier. Dammm your dumbb. Never mention Duran and DLH in the same breathe.

Finally hagler. First off lets talk aout who Ray came out of retirment to fight, and compare it to who Mayweather came out of retirment to fight. Hagler undefeated in last10 years, stopped 11out of 12 middleweight challenges...Repeat Middleweight. Ray had to move up after only 1 fight in 5 years ..move up to fight Hagler. Now lets see Mayweather. He was our 1 year and a half. He had options to fight a true welter, but he chose a featherweight, who had only 2 fights at lightweight, none at jr welter and none at welter..Need we compare any furhter.

After being out of boxiing for 5 years my friend, it is amazing that ray was able to do anythign like what he was able to do.

You say Ray was hurt bad vs Duran. Did he go down? You honestly believe featherfisted Mayweather could scratch Leonard. Lets see before Leoanrd retired he went down how many times....0. Ray fought and took the best shots from a peak tommy hearns, duran, benetiz and he went down how many times...Any your dumbass suggest a fighter who is scared to fight the best fighters of today, would hurt Ray....Wow..

Did your dumb ass look at the scoreboard...Ray isup 80% to 20 percent. Quit sounding ******, and learn boxing. How abou suggesting Mayweather fights a true welterweight before even beginning to suggest what he would do to arguably the 2nd best welter ever.

Ohh your summization about ray dropping his head, and thus being caught by a Mayweather upper cut, if laughable. So i guess that Ray has went through 4 top all time pound per pound legends..all who won titles at welter and/or above welter, none of them were able to drop Ray while he was peak, but you...haha...you have the magic training course to beat Ray...What a joke.

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Havent got time to read the whole thing, but it was a pleasure to read the first 2 pages (as far as I got up to)

Both are great fighters, and it's really nice to not hear fan boys chatting crap because of a threat of P4P status or losing in reality. Luckily Sugar was before Floyd's time I guess lol.

Gotta go but defintiely gonna come back to this thread

[RayLeonard82]

So because Mayweather might take longer to beat Price proves Ray is better. That makes no sense cause Hearns knocked out Duran and Hagler and Ray couldn't but both beat Hearns. Roy Jones could have knocked out more opponents but does that mean Ray beats Roy to. I know u dont want to go there cause prime Roy would destroy Ray.

You saying Ray had more speed is wrong. I don't look at quick flurry speed as you being instinctive QUICK. Roy can still flurry with speed but his instinctive speed is much slower than the Roy of the 1990's. True speed is when you make a guy miss and immedietely counter. Ray was a volume speed fighter meaning his shots were quick when he flurried but his instinctive shots when making a guy miss was good at best. Look at the Kalule fight in 1981. A lot of volume and also a lot of missed punches. Watch the Duran fight when Duran charged in. All Ray is doing is throwing a bunch of fancy flurries that are not landing. Even when Duran missed. Floyd would counter 1980 June Duran with more success than Ray. Different styles.

If Duran charges, Floyd is not going to crouch over and then throw a 10 punch flurry at AIR. He's doing to fight tall, block, block and counter.

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SRL lost to a natural 135 pounder in Duran in 1980 and in the rematch ran quicker than Michael Jacksons moonwalk.

That wasnt a impressive performance. Watch the fight on youtube. It was only impressive when i was 10 years old. When i watch it now im like damn Ray wasnt dominating like i originally thought.

He ran from a natural 135 pounder. You see what i mean by legs. He couldnt fight Duran close range yet still defend because his defense was his legs.

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Evidence of when Ray crouches down like that he's vulnerable to the quick upercut which is Floyd's strength. Duran didn't even have a lot of snap behind that shot and look at how hurt Ray was. Floyd lands that shot with consistency on Ray but with more speed and snap. Watch 2:30 minute of this video

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SRL lost to a natural 135 pounder in Duran in 1980 and in the rematch ran quicker than Michael Jacksons moonwalk.

That wasnt a impressive performance. Watch the fight on youtube. It was only impressive when i was 10 years old. When i watch it now im like damn Ray wasnt dominating like i originally thought.

He ran from a natural 135 pounder. You see what i mean by legs. He couldnt fight Duran close range yet still defend because his defense was his legs.

Duran went on to win a title at middleweight, he was not some small weak guy. Duran at 147 was better than Mayweather has proven to be. If you think Leonard had problems running from Duran, I can only imagine the track meet Floyd would have to fight to stay away. Leonard actually did a very good job brawling with Roberto Duran, that was no one sided fight Duran won.

[RayLeonard82]

Duran went on to win a title at middleweight, he was not some small weak guy. Duran at 147 was better than Mayweather has proven to be. If you think Leonard had problems running from Duran, I can only imagine the track meet Floyd would have to fight to stay away. Leonard actually did a very good job brawling with Roberto Duran, that was no one sided fight Duran won.

Floyd probably wouldn't slug but he would be more effective fighting Duran close range and countering when Duran charges because of his shoulder role technique. Floyd can block and counter with short shots better then SRL.

Ray against Duran just threw a bunch of fancy flurries at AIR without much accuracy.

[bojangles1987]

Floyd probably wouldn't slug but he would be more effective fighting Duran close range and countering when Duran charges because of his shoulder role technique. Floyd can block and counter with short shots better then SRL.

Ray against Duran just threw a bunch of fancy flurries at AIR without much accuracy.

Mayweather would NOT be more effective close range, not at welterweight against the same Duran Leonard fought. Mayweather would not be active enough, nor have enough pop to keep Duran from charging Floyd into the ropes the whole fight and pounding on him. For every fancy technical counter punch Mayweather landed, Duran would land 4 body shots or a bigger shot to Mayweather's chin.

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Mayweather would NOT be more effective close range, not at welterweight against the same Duran Leonard fought. Mayweather would not be active enough, nor have enough pop to keep Duran from charging Floyd into the ropes the whole fight and pounding on him. For every fancy technical counter punch Mayweather landed, Duran would land 4 body shots or a bigger shot to Mayweather's chin.

What happened when floyd fought castillo....who is nowhere near a duran. Now you say ray flurried...That dummy was because Duran style was come in, launch his shots, and lay his head on one of his opponent shoulders, where a boxer (if you boxed ) is instructed to step back and land a uppercut...Ray did this combinations.

Again Ray..your avoiding my question..Who has Duran beat at Welter that justifies him even getting a chance to fight a Leonard , hearns. Duran just in case you don't know, is a all time top 5 poudn per pounder..was only 28, and seasoned, Ray was 21 or so.. Ray also fought a toe to toe battle and you leave out a lot of that fight, when ray landed good left hooks (round 5-6-7) fought off the ropes a lot better than Mayweather did vs a shot DLH...

You never address what mayweather did, only what Ray didnt do. This would not even be a fight. First off mayweather would not fight Duran, hearns or leoanrd, just like he is not fighting mosley, margerito, cotto, clottery, williams. Mosley instead will fight at welter weight but only those that moved up...judah, jmm, hatton, now paqman...

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You put down some of Floyd's victories after the fact but before the actual fights Diego Corrales Ricky Hatton, Marques were supposed to be tough opponents and he destroyed them with ease. Floyd would beat Mosley just as easy and there would be even more excuses. When he beats Manny with ease there will be another excuse.

Paul Williams is the only fighter 147 to 154 who would have the best chance at beating Floyd cause he's 6-2 very active and most important takes a great shot. Paul gives SRL major problems also, probably beats him cause coming from behind with a late KO like against Hearns aint gonna work against Paul cause he's so well conditioned and takes a great shot.