Mayweather vs Sugar Ray Leonard??

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I can applaud your willingness to argue your point, especially when you have the facts behind you and are knowledgable enough about the sport to present your case as well as you have.

But you're wasting your ****ing time. That guy is a Mayweather fan (the way he talks, he might even be sleeping with Floyd...) and is just spouting anything that comes to mind in an attempt to make FLoyd look as good as possible.

Mayweather shouldn't even be mentioned on the same page as Sugar Ray Leonard. Anybody who doesn't get that needs to, right fucking now, put the barrel against the roof of their mouths and PULL THE GODDAMNED TRIGGER.

You know.. I have evened gave floyd his props..pound per pound based on what he did at 135, he did fight the best at the weight and beat them and barely beat them,meaning corrales and castillo and others, but whatis amazing is somehow these being his last grreat legit wins vs peak great fighters as their most effiecient weight,some now in this guys mind this translate to him being albe to beat arguablyy the 2nd best welter to lace em up. BASED ON WHAT? Who at Welter has he beaten, to justify this, that was a natural peak welter. He brings up fighters that are all time greats and who also won and beat other top welter and jr middles, and middles...Benetiz beat palimino and then won the jr middle too he also beat cervantes ad jr welter, Duran is all timereat top 10 on almost every poll ever and was solid at welter was only 28 years old with one loss that he avenged twice, and he went on to win the jr middle and middle titles..Hearns was 32-0 with 30 ko's, he whines about ray gettin beat that entire fight, which is false, he leaves out ray almost stop him 6th and 7th rounds..he leaves out a lot. He leaves our Ray moved up 2 weight classes after only one fight and beat theundisputed all time great hagler who had not lost in 10 years. He says ray waited for all these years...Well who aged the worst? It is like hagler aged and Ray didnt. He leaves our ray was forced to retired due to injury. He leaves our Mayweather came back vs another 36 year old featherweight...and could not seriously hurt him....


Wow....

[RayLeonard82]

What really gets me is SRL had this tremendous speed which i think was overated. Ray looked quick only when he flurried kinda like Hector Camacho. Get close like when he was in the Olympics and unleash a 10 punch flurry.

His INSTINCTIVE SPEED...Meaning make a guy miss a and immedietely BAMB...Counter was good, not great. Even in the Ayub Kalue fight against a fighter who in my opinon was extremely slow Ray had problems countering. He was very effective when aggressive but simple dodge a punch and counter he was ok. Not Roy Jones or Floyd level. It could be the training methods or Ray retiring early in 1982. He never developed that fully. I doubt Ray did the drills that Floyd does in camp which focuses on immediete countering off missed punches. It seems Ray just focused on quick 10 punch flurries but not always very accurate. Just a nice looking combination that looked cute.

Floyd and Roy Jones are quicker INSTINCTIVE fighters with much better accuracy and i think the era of training has a lot to do with that

[RayLeonard82]

I can applaud your willingness to argue your point, especially when you have the facts behind you and are knowledgable enough about the sport to present your case as well as you have.

But you're wasting your ****ing time. That guy is a Mayweather fan (the way he talks, he might even be sleeping with Floyd...) and is just spouting anything that comes to mind in an attempt to make FLoyd look as good as possible.

Mayweather shouldn't even be mentioned on the same page as Sugar Ray Leonard. Anybody who doesn't get that needs to, right fucking now, put the barrel against the roof of their mouths and PULL THE GODDAMNED TRIGGER.

Ray got hit often by the slow plodding Ayub Kalule and your saying Floyd doesn't belong in the same sentence. Just like basketball fans overated older eras. I was at the gym and dudes was saying 1987 Kareem would dominate 2001 Shaq and im like they must be drunk or favoring the older era.

Moses Malone and Akeem both pimp slapped old Kareem and that was young Akeem in 1986. Im not sure if Kareem ever got a rebound against Moses in 1981 and 1983 when Moses and his teams beat LA. 2001 Shaq is 60 pounds bigger than Moses and much more athletic. Shaq would have averaged 40 and 20 on that 80's Lakers teams. Mychal Thompson is only 225 pounds who was the backup center. AC Green was like 220 pounds.

SRL had very quick feet but the hand speed is overated. He's a quick flurry puncher and average counterpuncher.

[realheavyhands]

it's a tossup.....

for all the jokers saying Leonard whud kill him in 5 rounds or less. Floyd SR went 10 rounds with Leonard and he wasn't even a world class fighter himself.....

floyd senoir fight just like floyd junior.. so many similarities its scary..this era just isnt as good.. floyd back than would be just like his father.. but a little bit better

[realheavyhands]

What really gets me is SRL had this tremendous speed which i think was overated. Ray looked quick only when he flurried kinda like Hector Camacho. Get close like when he was in the Olympics and unleash a 10 punch flurry.

His INSTINCTIVE SPEED...Meaning make a guy miss a and immedietely BAMB...Counter was good, not great. Even in the Ayub Kalue fight against a fighter who in my opinon was extremely slow Ray had problems countering. He was very effective when aggressive but simple dodge a punch and counter he was ok. Not Roy Jones or Floyd level. It could be the training methods or Ray retiring early in 1982. He never developed that fully. I doubt Ray did the drills that Floyd does in camp which focuses on immediete countering off missed punches. It seems Ray just focused on quick 10 punch flurries but not always very accurate. Just a nice looking combination that looked cute.

Floyd and Roy Jones are quicker INSTINCTIVE fighters with much better accuracy and i think the era of training has a lot to do with that

floyd is a one armed fighter .. he has no right hand really .. his left is damn good though.. roy is like a more polished floyd with all the punches.. roy is tied for the greatest all time

[RayLeonard82]

SRL vs Floyd's father 1978. Pay close attention to SRL accuracy on his punches and his INSTINTCIVE speed. He struggled figuring out Floyds pops defense and his dad aint no where close to Floyd jr. Jr has mastered the shoulder roll and most important countering off of it. He's also in much better condition than his dad who when he fought SRL was coming of being shot. The more i watch old SRL fights the more i see Floyd winning a UD. Ray's only chance would be a late KO. Floyd is a much quicker instincive puncher with much better accuracy. Ray's only quick when he flurries which Floyd would block all day long. That's not gonna work. Against Floyd you need to be able to counter off his missed punches. Being aggressive and throwing flurries wont work.

[Bigchill79]

2 of my favs ever. How can u pick a winner? Gun 2 my head - I would go for 4 Mayweather - cause speed and Iq Kills

[Stickman]

SRL had very quick feet but the hand speed is overated.

This single line you've written proves, beyond all doubt and disbelief, that you're a complete and utter tool, who probably hasn't ever even seen a SRL fight.

Ray Leonard's handspeed was nothing short of phenomenal.

[StarshipTrooper]

RayLeonard82 is probably one of Horus' alts. This thread just goes to prove it's impossible to have anysort of discussion with the *****sexuals (or any nuthugger for that matter). Notice how he just keeps repeating the same ****e over and over again long after you've convincingly refuted it?

For the record, Benitez was a better counter puncher than Mr. Boat Buyer ever dreamed of being (Pretty Gay Floyd MIGHT be able to find work as one of Benitez's MINOR sparring partners though). Throwing 15 punches a round (aka take a pot-shot then run like ****) like Fraud Gayweather does isn't going to beat ATG level opposition, not to mention the fact he has no power and would be unable to hurt Leonard. Pretty Girl brings nothing to the table that Ray Leonard hadn't already done and done better.

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[RayLeonard82]

This single line you've written proves, beyond all doubt and disbelief, that you're a complete and utter tool, who probably hasn't ever even seen a SRL fight.

Ray Leonard's handspeed was nothing short of phenomenal.

I never said he didn'T have good hand speed. I just said it was overated. I don't consider flurry hand speed to be better than counterpunch hand speed which to me is instinctive speed. SRL was quick when he flurried but his counter speed was good at best. Watch the video up ahead and his accuracy. The same thing happen in the Benitez and 1st Duran fight. He would throw a bunch of punches that looked cute but his accuracy wasn't Floyd or a Roy Jones level.

Im just not impressed with his counter speed in the Benitez, Duran, Kalule, Mayweather SR fights.

Floyds speed is different meaning it's not a bunch of wasted 10 punch quick flurries like SRL or Meldrick Taylor. He will make you miss and immedietely counter and do it with consistency. Roy Jones at his peak was the same.

Both Floyd and Roy are the only fighters i know who could nail you from 10 feet away out of nowhere. Watch Floyd vs Corrales how he nailed him with the upercut from 10 feet away. SRL speed is most effective in close range but not from distance