How good was Floyd?

[Hustle]

This thread isn't about Canelo last time I checked?

I'm just being objective. Smaller boxers had to come up to him, he waited till boxers got old, he ducked Margarito etc.

He did what he had to do, I don't blame him, but the man was a supreme boxer. Just wish he left no question marks, but that's not boxing anymore.

He waited to who got old?

Mosley turned the fight down in 2006. Thats not Floyd fault.

De la hoya made Floyd wait til 2007. When Floyd was calling for the fight since 2002. That's not Floyd fault

Cotto turned the fight down in 2005. That's not Floyd fault..

Pacquiao turned the fight down in 2010 because of random drug testing which he later accepted. Thats not floyd fault


These are all facts..

[Hustle]

Its really hard to know how good Floyd was. He never wanted to be underdog so people thought he'd lose, and then he'd prove you wrong by winning. Leaving you apologising and thinking your better than we thought you was.
I mean if he fought GGG, and people predicted he'd lose and Floyd upset odds. We'd be left thinking I'll tip my hat off wasn't expecting that, I'll think twice before writing your chances off next time.! So it's hard to give too much credit no matter how skilled Floyd was.

Floyd won titles in 5 weight classes. And you talking about why he didn't go to the 6th division to fight ggg. That's hilarious

Meanwhile ggg didnt go to his 2nd weight class and fight Ward and you could care less

The hypocrisy in boxing is next level

[Hustle]

He was the best while he was active.
EVERY FIGHTER his detractors say would have beaten him (Margarito, Williams, Cotto to name a few) have no grounds in reality.
I'm going to C/P info as too not include any form of opinion/bias.

1) Cotto -
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Floyd Mayweather: Miguel Cotto talk ended after Top Rank put him in with a stalking horse
https://www.mlive.com/mayweather/201...l_cotto_1.html

To summarize, Abum didn't want them to fight. IMHO, PBF would have been too smart for that, or any version of Cotto. PBF was the perfect blend of speed, accuracy, defense and power. Cotto, while entertaining to watch, was too offensive minded. PBF would have picked him apart.

2) Williams -
Did Floyd Mayweather REALLY duck Paul Williams???
https://www.boxing forum 24.com/threads/did-floyd-mayweather-really-duck-paul-williams.193835/

To summarize; it was a business decision (DLH and Hatton).. A decision that, if Williams were in May's position, would have made as well. While Paul had an intimidating size and work rate, he was often his own worst enemy. Smothering his own punches by being overly aggressive. It was very close with Margarito, who is one of the slowest and most predictable face first punch eaters the game has ever seen. Triangle theories are not popular but they are the basis of Fantasy Fights. Usually when a slow and predictable guy gives a highly regarded opponent a tough fight, it is logical to assume a more skilled fighter would handle that highly regarded opponent with ''ease''.

3) Margarito (everyone's favorite boogeyman) -
Mayweather Didn’t Duck Margarito Or Cotto
https://www.boxing news 24.com/2010/12/mayweather-didnt-duck-margarito-or-cotto/

To summarize; a 2 pronged reason. Both understandable. Financial and health (I'm guessing more financial). Also, this is when May was wanting to become his own man. It worked out to perfection. It's the blueprint. From that moment on, he became the p4p/ppv king and the face of boxing. No better way to say F YOU to an ex boss.

IMHO, Margarito would have been similar to shooting fish in a very shallow bucket.

As it has been said many times already, EVERY boxer makes decisions they feel are in their best interests.
We as fans have to look at their resumes with HONEST EYES and ask themselves if that fighter fought enough qualities guys when they were in good to great condition or if they fought a guy at the end of their careers. If a fighter spent too much time fighting bums and journeymen.

The sticking point is a fan being honest.

#TL/DRFool

Floyd gets accused of ducking paul williams when he retired in 07. But Mosley, Pacquiao, and Cotto were all active and didn't fight Paul Williams.

Yet I never heard them accused of ducking Paul williams.

That proves Floyd gets hate that his contemporaries dont

[M312]

He waited to who got old?

Mosley turned the fight down in 2006. Thats not Floyd fault.

De la hoya made Floyd wait til 2007. When Floyd was calling for the fight since 2002. That's not Floyd fault

Cotto turned the fight down in 2005. That's not Floyd fault..

Pacquiao turned the fight down in 2010 because of random drug testing which he later accepted. Thats not floyd fault


These are all facts..

Nothing is Floyd's fault is it? He's so perfect.

Fanboys

[Combat Talk Radio]

Floyd gets accused of ducking paul williams when he retired in 07. But Mosley, Pacquiao, and Cotto were all active and didn't fight Paul Williams.

Yet I never heard them accused of ducking Paul williams.

That proves Floyd gets hate that his contemporaries dont

Paul Williams himself said the fight didn't happen because he (Paul) wasn't ready for it, it was just the media hyping a thing (as they always do).

Floyd didn't duck Williams, Williams was the latest 'eye test' off the Margacheato win. Problem is people are rewriting history.

Margacheato at that time hadn't beaten anyone of any note except maybe Antonio Diaz, he was 'eye test' too.

In 2005 Floyd was working to fight Cory Spinks who at the time was "the man". The media turned on him because they all wanted him to fight Baldomir next, because Baldomir had a significant Mexican following. Floyd would begin negotiations with Baldomir (and NSB was upset) while he moved up to fight Judah to get two of the belts.

By the time they fought, Baldomir was fresh off back-to-back dissections of Gatti and Judah to partially unify. Baldomir was looked at as the bigger threat by the media and the hype was off the rails.

Paul Williams had no major belt at this time. Meanwhile, Oscar saw the opportunity fresh off Baldomir taking Floyd the distance and tried to pull a fast one by forcing Floyd to come up to 154, chose the gloves, chose the judges, chose the ref, chose the venue, chose the split, etc. Floyd accepted everything as the B-Side. We saw what happened.

We're now in the beginning of 2007, Williams beats Margacheato in July, but still isn't a household name. Meanwhile, Ricky Hatton who is a major star overseas challenges for welterweight titles because he thinks Floyd will struggle to get back down. We saw what happened. Floyd then does a brief "retirement" to rest his body after the weight shifting.

It's this period - 2008 - that would have been the only real chance for them to fight at 147, unfortunately Williams still not being a household name takes an L to Quintana and has to run it back. Floyd doesn't come back until 2009, when Marquez called him out. By this point, Williams is up to 154 and Floyd is continuing his campaign back at 147. He wouldn't fight again at 154 until 2012, with the Cotto fight.

Williams apparently had weight issues and couldn't make 147 anymore, but he never was a household name to boot. Him getting knocked out cold by Sergio and then completely robbing Lara sealed the deal on the fight that "might" have been. In the video below, that's what he's referring to, is that he was rebuilding to potentially earn a fight with Floyd down the road, but it would not have happened in 2008 because he wasn't ready for it.

Ultimately: whoever watched the Lara fight would have been convinced that Floyd Mayweather would have destroyed Paul Williams for the same reasons, and it wasn't a fight worth booking. That's not ducking - that's business.

[hugh grant]

Floyd won titles in 5 weight classes. And you talking about why he didn't go to the 6th division to fight ggg. That's hilarious

Meanwhile ggg didnt go to his 2nd weight class and fight Ward and you could care less

The hypocrisy in boxing is next level

Its not about GGG. Its about Floyd doing things comparable to whats been done in the past, think Henry armstrong, Pac, Duran etc etc. Its about floyd doing the same things as the fighters he wants to be considered as good as.

I mean if FLoyd didnt want to fight spence, thurman, brook, bradley, why not fight GGG what else you gonna do? Your not rematching Nelo or Pac so why not GGG? Do something people dont think Floyd can do because history proves it is hard to do. Just because Armstrong, Pac, RJJ are a few fighters in history who have been able to do it, dont mean Floyd can. Or even do something people dont think Floyd would try to do as floyd likes things in his favour or an equal playing field at the very least, why dont floyd suprise or shock people? People call floyd a ducker, cherry picker, why dont floyd disprove that and suprise a lot of people, rather than being who people think he is?

[QueensburyRules]

Its not about GGG. Its about Floyd doing things comparable to whats been done in the past, think Henry armstrong, Pac, Duran etc etc. Its about floyd doing the same things as the fighters he wants to be considered as good as.

I mean if FLoyd didnt want to fight spence, thurman, brook, bradley, why not fight GGG what else you gonna do? Your not rematching Nelo or Pac so why not GGG? Do something people dont think Floyd can do because history proves it is hard to do. Just because Armstrong, Pac, RJJ are a few fighters in history who have been able to do it, dont mean Floyd can. Or even do something people dont think Floyd would try to do as floyd likes things in his favour or an equal playing field at the very least, why dont floyd suprise or shock people? People call floyd a ducker, cherry picker, why dont floyd disprove that and suprise a lot of people, rather than being who people think he is?

- - Golovkin had a standing "Easy $$$" offer of 155 lb for all his middle belts, or 154 for all of l'l floydy belts.

Wart even offered 162lbs for no belts, but Wart had to pay his family to watch his fightless fights.

[djtmal]

Nothing is Floyd's fault is it? He's so perfect.

Fanboys

Exactly....

[Hustle]

Nothing is Floyd's fault is it? He's so perfect.

Fanboys

I see you deflected because you can't debate facts. So you switch the narrative to nothing is Floyd's fault and he's perfect even though neither one of those things came out of my mouth. I was very specific in what i said and its all facts that can be proven with video footage from those years.

If you Give facts. Your a fanboy.
If you Give facts. They switch the subject.
If you give facts. They ignore them.

You dudes prefer your own fantasy over actual facts.

[Hustle]

Paul Williams himself said the fight didn't happen because he (Paul) wasn't ready for it, it was just the media hyping a thing (as they always do).

Floyd didn't duck Williams, Williams was the latest 'eye test' off the Margacheato win. Problem is people are rewriting history.

Margacheato at that time hadn't beaten anyone of any note except maybe Antonio Diaz, he was 'eye test' too.

In 2005 Floyd was working to fight Cory Spinks who at the time was "the man". The media turned on him because they all wanted him to fight Baldomir next, because Baldomir had a significant Mexican following. Floyd would begin negotiations with Baldomir (and NSB was upset) while he moved up to fight Judah to get two of the belts.

By the time they fought, Baldomir was fresh off back-to-back dissections of Gatti and Judah to partially unify. Baldomir was looked at as the bigger threat by the media and the hype was off the rails.

Paul Williams had no major belt at this time. Meanwhile, Oscar saw the opportunity fresh off Baldomir taking Floyd the distance and tried to pull a fast one by forcing Floyd to come up to 154, chose the gloves, chose the judges, chose the ref, chose the venue, chose the split, etc. Floyd accepted everything as the B-Side. We saw what happened.

We're now in the beginning of 2007, Williams beats Margacheato in July, but still isn't a household name. Meanwhile, Ricky Hatton who is a major star overseas challenges for welterweight titles because he thinks Floyd will struggle to get back down. We saw what happened. Floyd then does a brief "retirement" to rest his body after the weight shifting.

It's this period - 2008 - that would have been the only real chance for them to fight at 147, unfortunately Williams still not being a household name takes an L to Quintana and has to run it back. Floyd doesn't come back until 2009, when Marquez called him out. By this point, Williams is up to 154 and Floyd is continuing his campaign back at 147. He wouldn't fight again at 154 until 2012, with the Cotto fight.

Williams apparently had weight issues and couldn't make 147 anymore, but he never was a household name to boot. Him getting knocked out cold by Sergio and then completely robbing Lara sealed the deal on the fight that "might" have been. In the video below, that's what he's referring to, is that he was rebuilding to potentially earn a fight with Floyd down the road, but it would not have happened in 2008 because he wasn't ready for it.

Ultimately: whoever watched the Lara fight would have been convinced that Floyd Mayweather would have destroyed Paul Williams for the same reasons, and it wasn't a fight worth booking. That's not ducking - that's business.

I'm aware of all of this.

My point was Pacquiao, cotto and Mosley didn't fight paul Williams either. But they all get a pass