Canelo Alvarez vs James Toney

[FinitoxDinamita]

Toney would beat him worse than Floyd did.

[IronDanHamza]

If Toney is in shape then ClenRoid gets retired. Look at both resumes what more do you want ?

What has Roid ever done to place him above Toney ? His (barely) wins vs Lara ? Austin Trout ? Roid is a weightbully and a (scared) steroid abuser that is only picking cherry's. Tell me Clenroid best win ?

Short fat ginger is getting worked in this match up. From the inside, from the outside, however Toney wants it. Aint no slow footed plodder doing shyte to prime James. Levels... It is evident that you don't believe it yourself since you compare the 12-0 shutout Clen received from Bivol (and quit after R2) compares to RJJ - Toney. You bring up prime RJJ loss and compare it to the Bivol loss. You cannot compare RJJ and Bivol, not in the same sentence.


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How do these injection marks get there ? It aint photoshop since it is caught on video in the official ClenRoid - GGG weigh in, the moment he does some shadowboxing on the scales.


How much is Edward Hearn paying you ?

You are aware that James Toney is a PED user also, right?

Your post has nothing to do with anything I asked.

You said Toney beats him easily. WHO HAS HE BEAT ON CANELO'S LEVEL IN A CLEAR MANNER??? SIMPLE question.

You said "Ain't no slow plodder doing shyte to prime James" when he lost to Dave Tiberi in his prime and couldn't beat Sanderline Williams in his prime Explain that one genius.

You really don't want to go down that road bringing up Canelo's sub par performances, Toney has him beat in that regard BY FAR.

[IronDanHamza]

Obviously Toney's peak is way above Canelo's. You also have to factor that Toney is naturally bigger guy and even worst version of Toney would not be bullied by Canelo. On the other hand Toney FREQUENTLY came underprepared and on such night Canelo would win a lopsided decision. Bringing that Canelo had no answers against Bivol does not prove a lot. Bivol himself may end up as a part of this conversation as generational talent. His sense of distance is great and this would allow him to dominate fighters who are not light on their feet. I don't think that Toney would fare much better than Canelo against Bivol - very bad style matchup for either of them.

How is that obvious?

[Haka]

You are aware that James Toney is a PED user also, right?

Your post has nothing to do with anything I asked.

You said Toney beats him easily. WHO HAS HE BEAT ON CANELO'S LEVEL IN A CLEAR MANNER??? SIMPLE question.

You said "Ain't no slow plodder doing shyte to prime James" when he lost to Dave Tiberi in his prime and couldn't beat Sanderline Williams in his prime Explain that one genius.

You really don't want to go down that road bringing up Canelo's sub par performances, Toney has him beat in that regard BY FAR.

Holyfield.

[QueensburyRules]

Toney is the anomaly in boxing history, the defensive master, with one of the best chins of all time.

So even if you to hit him, and you did was sign yourself up for a worse beating. The fact that Toney was able to be as successful as he was coming in so frequently in such objectively terrible condition is quite remarkable.

Canelo wouldn't have a chance. Canelo would be out slicked, in a boxing match, and Toney has more dog in him if Canelo wanted to make it a fight.

- - TwoTon an anomaly alright, so Pray do tell us U Mr Defensive Master masterclass boxing win.

What Roy did to him should've retired him in shame save he was always a shameless face first fighter only interested in the Burger King Kentucky Fried post party thrown with his meager purses as he outgrew every division he was in including hvy.

[IronDanHamza]

Holyfield.

Holyfield's shot to pieces corpse is not the level of a prime Canelo.

Any others?

Funny you didn't even address the fact that Toney is a proven drug cheat when half your incoherent irrelevant nonsense of a post was about Canelo's PED use

[Haka]

Holyfield's shot to pieces corpse is not the level of a prime Canelo.

Any others?

Funny you didn't even address the fact that Toney is a proven drug cheat when half your incoherent irrelevant nonsense of a post was about Canelo's PED use

Jirov.

Lol prime Canelo ? The one who quit after R2 and got outhussled outdogged out-everythinged in a 12-0 shut out ? When did that happen to Toney ?

[IronDanHamza]

Jirov.

Lol prime Canelo ? The one who quit after R2 and got outhussled outdogged out-everythinged in a 12-0 shut out ? When did that happen to Toney ?

He didn't beat Jirov in a clear manner and Jirov isn't Canelo's level either.

It happened when Toney fought Roy Jones and he looked like he had never boxed in a day in his life.

Also, Canelo won 3-4 rounds, Toney won 0.

Let's stick it what actually happened.

[Haka]

He didn't beat Jirov in a clear manner and Jirov isn't Canelo's level either.

It happened when Toney fought Roy Jones and he looked like he had never boxed in a day in his life.

Also, Canelo won 3-4 rounds, Toney won 0.

Let's stick it what actually happened.

Toney is the one that moved up and succeeded. Canelo is the one that moved up and failed miserably.

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If Canelo really won 4 rounds, the judges could just add up two and make it a draw. Why didn't that happen ?
In fact I believe Bivol carried him in the laters rounds as he was thankful that Canelo give him the shot at the golden goose.

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The fact that he was moving up due to laziness in regards to eating habits tells you that he had to overcome all those bigger weight divisions on skill. It is HARD as a smaller framed guy to compete with those big boned guys. That tells you all about James Toney and what he could do in the ring. Tony is a level or two (or three) above Canelo don't get carried away by the Plant and BJS wins, those are laughable with the names I just mentioned in my previous post. Thinking about it those two should not even be in the same sentence.

[IronDanHamza]

Toney is the one that moved up and succeeded. Canelo is the one that moved up and failed miserably.

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If Canelo really won 4 rounds, the judges could just add up two and make it a draw. Why didn't that happen ?
In fact I believe Bivol carried him in the laters rounds as he was thankful that Canelo give him the shot at the golden goose.

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The fact that he was moving up due to laziness in regards to eating habits tells you that he had to overcome all those bigger weight divisions on skill. It is HARD as a smaller framed guy to compete with those big boned guys. That tells you all about James Toney and what he could do in the ring. Tony is a level or two (or three) above Canelo don't get carried away by the Plant and BJS wins, those are laughable with the names I just mentioned in my previous post. Thinking about it those two should not even be in the same sentence.

Both have done 4 weight classes. Toney failed at every single weight class he fought at other than Crusierweight where he had one fight. Canelo failed at 2 of the 4. Try again.

The judges didn't do that because he didn't win 6 rounds. Canelo arguably won 5 rounds against Bivol, the average fan scorecard is 8 rounds to 4. He won anywhere between 2 and 4 rounds. That's not a 12-0 shutout.

Whereas against Roy Jones, Toney lost every second of every round and looked like he'd just taken up boxing that day. There's no comparison.

You don't even need to go that far anyway, Toney looked worst against unranked scrubs in Williams, Tiberi and Thazdi than Canelo has ever looked in his career.

I mean, you can SAY that Toney is "levels above Canelo" but his actual career doesn't show that. And to go back to the original point, he's never shown in his career that he could easily beat or dominate a fighter of Canelo's level like being laughably suggested in this thread.