Why do so many consider super champions the champ but not franchise champ?

[M312]

Obviously your reading comprehension sucks,the rules CLEARLY say that the Wbc gets to decide who the franchise champ fights(even the world champ has to get approved for whomever they fight thats not a mandatory) (ffs you even posted the rule that says the Wbc gets to pick who the franchise champ fights

(the Wbc has made it clear on numerous occasions that if their champs aren't fighting a mando or champ from different division they have to fight who they tell them to(it even says so under franchise champ rule you just posted,so you're obviously talking out of your ass, especially because they ordered Canelo to fight Yildirim even though he was fighting nothing but champs for like 5 fights in a row)

Ps you're obviously too lazy to read the Super champ rules or you'd know they grant the same exact privileges as franchise(that the Wbo/Wba gets to decide whether to force them to fight someone on a case by case basis,& so far the Wbc franchise champs have all been fighting much better comp than Super champs like Bud who went 3 yrs without a mando defense)

Lol, you have no idea what you are getting so worked up about. Calm down. Suilaman has clarified it all. No mandatories, it's not a real title, that's why no one cares...

Its just a title to represent the WBC in whatever they would like them to represent them as.

Nothing to get so stressed about. Let them enjoy their bedside trinket - it's shiny, that's about all it is.

[Toffee]

He literally motioned with his hands that the Franchise world title is higher than the regular world title.

That's what you've got? Sulaiman motioned with his hands?

He's saying Franchise is for special boxers. Fighters that are on a certain level. It's like being knighted for services to WBC boxing. That was the original premise before they started transferring it around.

But Haney is the lightweight champion of the division.

And you blew out your own argument with regards to the other orgs. They very clearly recognise Haney and don't believe that their champion Kambosos is undisputed. Even you shouldn't be able to dispute that any more.

[MONGOOSE66]

The Wbc lists the franchise champ as higher than the world champ in their rankings, shouldn't that be enough for them to be considered the same thing as a so called"super champ" like Bud or the Wba super champs?

So how is Buds belt different from Wbc franchise champ that was started as a way for Wbc to let the best fight the best( possibly in different divisions even) while the #1 contender doesn't cry about it & can't sue because they are then gifted a world champ belt instead. (So iow it has same special privileges Wbo provides Bud,for same reason because he has won multiple titles)

The Super champ designation allows Bud to avoid mandatories every 9 mos as required by" world" champs like Andrade. (up to several yrs) the Wba also has World champs & super champs.

The franchise belt Canelo was given still shows him being ranked above Charlo at mw to this day,& despite Canelo Undisputed smw he still isn't listed as franchise champ at smw, implying he doesn't take the belt with him to every division he fights in, just like only some divisions have super champs.

I could give a fook what a sanctioning body thinks is champ. I KNOW Whats what. If u don’t. Get into luge competitions.

[WBC WBA IBF]

That's what you've got? Sulaiman motioned with his hands?

Franchise champion is listed higher than regular champion in the official WBC ratings. When asked directly in an interview which championship is higher, he clearly motioned that the franchise champion is above the regular champion. The WBC has repeatedly said that Kambosos is undisputed champion, which could only be true if he held the higher title. The IBF allows their title to be unified with the franchise world title, which could only be true if the franchise world title was higher than the regular world title.

[kushking]

Lol, you have no idea what you are getting so worked up about. Calm down. Suilaman has clarified it all. No mandatories, it's not a real title, that's why no one cares...

Its just a title to represent the WBC in whatever they would like them to represent them as.

Nothing to get so stressed about. Let them enjoy their bedside trinket - it's shiny, that's about all it is.

Calling you lazy doesn't amount to worked up.(it doesn't say no mandatories,it says"the Wbc will decide on a case by case basis",just as Wba/Wbo say the exact same thing (that Super Champs only have to fight Mandos if the Wbo decides to make them,but in practice the Wbc orders their champs to fight more than the other 2. (Anyone who a fighter has to fight is a mandatory, just like mando eliminators are called that)

Anyways I don't care about belts at all,all I care about is that certain fighters are elevated to a higher status than the rest,& they become top dog whos scalp becomes more valuable on anyone's mantle.

I didn't care about Canelo getting Undisputed v Plant,as I considered him way above the rest for a long time. Belts are all meaningless,the only reason they matter is they tell you whos the highest ranked,& if Canelos franchise champ it just reiterates the obvious that hes a higher champ than Charlo because hes beating way better opponents way more often in way more divisions.

[RoadOfTheGypsy]

The WBA is a joke but they're very clear about the hierarchy of their titles.

For them there's
WBA (Super) Champion
WBA Champion
WBA (Regular) Champion (only applies when a Super champion is active)
WBA (Interim) Chaampion

There's no confusion on their part who the top WBA champion is. If there's a Super champion, they're the top champion. If not, the WBA Champion is. Simple.

The WBC are the ones that simultaneously call Haney and Kambosos their top champion. The WBA isn't pretending Trevor Bryan's title is as important as Oleksandr Usyk's.

This is my answer as well.

As a side note, boxing has way too many titles, most of them worhless trinket belts like the intercontinental titles of the different alphabet organizations.

We need a complete overhaul, one champion per division.

[Toffee]

Franchise champion is listed higher than regular champion in the official WBC ratings. When asked directly in an interview which championship is higher, he clearly motioned that the franchise champion is above the regular champion. The WBC has repeatedly said that Kambosos is undisputed champion, which could only be true if he held the higher title. The IBF allows their title to be unified with the franchise world title, which could only be true if the franchise world title was higher than the regular world title.

But you saw the interview. You heard his words.

He sees it as an elevated standing for special boxers. Not a 'Super' title. It's exactly what they said it was - a special designation. FFS, it's event written in their rules exactly what it is, and you still seem to think it's changed since then, in the face of absolutely no evidence!

And you claim the other orgs recognise Franchise as the true WBC Champ... then posted two orgs' ratings that showed that they don't consider Kambosos the champion.

I'm done with you. I'm sure you're taking the pi55.

[M312]

Calling you lazy doesn't amount to worked up.(it doesn't say no mandatories,it says"the Wbc will decide on a case by case basis",just as Wba/Wbo say the exact same thing (that Super Champs only have to fight Mandos if the Wbo decides to make them,but in practice the Wbc orders their champs to fight more than the other 2. (Anyone who a fighter has to fight is a mandatory, just like mando eliminators are called that)

Anyways I don't care about belts at all,all I care about is that certain fighters are elevated to a higher status than the rest,& they become top dog whos scalp becomes more valuable on anyone's mantle.

I didn't care about Canelo getting Undisputed v Plant,as I considered him way above the rest for a long time. Belts are all meaningless,the only reason they matter is they tell you whos the highest ranked,& if Canelos franchise champ it just reiterates the obvious that hes a higher champ than Charlo because hes beating way better opponents way more often in way more divisions.

Belts are meaningless and the Franchise one is literally the most meaningless.

Stop giving it airtime, it's a waste of time, nobody cares about the WBCs nonsense.

You creating threads like this just supports it.

Call it BS the way it is and leave it there.

[WBC WBA IBF]

He sees it as an elevated standing for special boxers. Not a 'Super' title. It's exactly what they said it was - a special designation. FFS, it's event written in their rules exactly what it is, and you still seem to think it's changed since then, in the face of absolutely no evidence!

That's exactly what the super title was supposed to be. A special elevated designation for a select few elite world champions. You yourself just said it's an elevated position, so how could you then claim that Haney's title is higher than Kambosos's title? There absolutely is evidence by the way that the WBC considers it a world title now. Teofimo Lopez publicly showed the official WBC certifications from his fight with Lomachenko and the paperwork clearly stated WBC FRANCHISE LIGHTWEIGHT WORLD TITLE.

And you claim the other orgs recognise Franchise as the true WBC Champ... then posted two orgs' ratings that showed that they don't consider Kambosos the champion

No, what I said was you can't use the ratings of the other orgs as proof that they don't recognize the Franchise world title as a world title because all of the orgs list Juan Estrada even though he's a franchise world champion and not a regular world champion.

[kushking]

Belts are meaningless and the Franchise one is literally the most meaningless.

Stop giving it airtime, it's a waste of time, nobody cares about the WBCs nonsense.

You creating threads like this just supports it.

Call it BS the way it is and leave it there.

You missed the pt entirely,the pt is you can't say super champion is THE champ even though they fight bums & no mandos for yrs on end, then turn around & say franchise is not a real champ & doesn't count.

The super champ is just as meaningless/worthy as Franchise, depending on whether you agree with it. The pt is they are both almost the same thing & its lame to pretend Buds Wbo belt holds more weight than Kambosos franchise belt, or that Muratas belt holds more weight than Canelos franchise belt,they are just placeholders that say those fighters scalp is more valuable for opponents.