Why do so many consider super champions the champ but not franchise champ?

[Toffee]

That's exactly what the super title was supposed to be. A special elevated designation for a select few elite world champions. You yourself just said it's an elevated position, so how could you then claim that Haney's title is higher than Kambosos's title? There absolutely is evidence by the way that the WBC considers it a world title now. Teofimo Lopez publicly showed the official WBC certifications from his fight with Lomachenko and the paperwork clearly stated WBC FRANCHISE LIGHTWEIGHT WORLD TITLE.




No, what I said was you can't use the ratings of the other orgs as proof that they don't recognize the Franchise world title as a world title because all of the orgs list Juan Estrada even though he's a franchise world champion and not a regular world champion.

As I said, I'm done with you.

Other than drawing a picture showing the hierarchical relationship of the WBA titles compared to the non-hierarchical relationship between the WBC titles I'm not going to change a view that has no basis in fact. No evidence at all. Just a strange arrogance that you must be right in the face of every contradictory proof possible.

Even when you are proven wrong (see "the other orgs recognise Kambosos as champion"... spoiler, they absolutely evidently don't) you're still adamant that you're right.

You're either a troll or a moron. Or possibly both. As much as I enjoy an honest debate with boxing fans, there's no point engaging with you any further.

[WBC WBA IBF]

Other than drawing a picture showing the hierarchical relationship of the WBA titles compared to the non-hierarchical relationship between the WBC titles I'm not going to change a view that has no basis in fact. No evidence at all.

Evidence that "Franchise" is now a world title:

1. The WBC has repeatedly referred to Kambosos as the undisputed champion.

2. Teofimo publicly showed the certifications from his fights, which proved they were sanctioned by the WBC as world title fights for the "WBC Lightweight Franchise world title."

3. The IBF, WBA and WBO all list Juan Estrada as a WBC world champion in their current ratings, even though he's been Franchise champion since March.

4. The IBF doesn't allow their title to be unified with secondary titles. The IBF title is currently unified with the WBC franchise world title, so clearly the IBF doesn't consider it a secondary title.

5. "Franchise champion" is listed above "Champion" in the official WBC ratings. But in the days of the diamond title, it was listed lower with the international title and the IBF/WBA/WBO titles. Only the Franchise world title has ever been listed above the regular WBC title.


So stop saying there's no evidence. We have official statements from the WBC. We have the official WBC ratings. We have the ratings of the other orgs. We have the official sanctioning paperwork for Teofimo's fights. We have lots of evidence. Please stop lying.

[Hustle]

This is a lie.


Here are the official WBA ratings: https://www.wbaboxing.com/wp-content...1-november.pdf

WBC Franchise world champion Juan Estrada is listed as WBC champion.


Here are the official IBF ratings: https://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/inde...?view=rankings

WBC Franchise world champion Juan Estrada is listed as WBC champion.


Here are the official WBO ratings: https://www.wboboxing.com/wp-content/themes/wbo/pdf.php

WBC Franchise world champion Juan Estrada is listed as WBC champion.


Also, the IBF only allows their title to be unified with the highest title of another organization. The IBF does allow their title to be unified with the Franchise world title, which means they view it as the WBC's top title.

Who is the wbc franchise champion at heavyweight? Light heavyweight? Cruiserweight? Welterweight? Junior welterweight? Nobody.

If it dont exist in every weight class its not an official title. So stop comparing the wbc franchise to the wba super because the wba had super and regular champs at every divison. Not just 3 divisions out of 18
Its simple.

[WBC WBA IBF]

Who is the wbc franchise champion at heavyweight? Light heavyweight? Cruiserweight? Welterweight? Junior welterweight? Nobody.

If it dont exist in every weight class its not an official title.

Its simple

You're wrong. For years, the WBA super world championship didn't exist in every weight class, but someone who held it could still be undisputed champion. The WBO super world championship doesn't exist in every weight class, but Canelo is still considered undisputed champion.

[Hustle]

You're wrong. For years, the WBA super world championship didn't exist in every weight class, but someone who held it could still be undisputed champion. The WBO super world championship doesn't exist in every weight class, but Canelo is still considered undisputed champion.

Thats because some divisions had unified wba champions like pacquiao after he beat thurman. Again thats not the case with the wbc franchise

Suliman said you couldnt even lose it in the ring when he first created the paper title

[WBC WBA IBF]

Thats because some divisions had unified wba champions like pacquiao after he beat thurman. Again thats not the case with the wbc franchise

Suliman said you couldnt even lose it in the ring when he first created the paper title

"Franchise" was originally a non-transferable honorary award.

Now it's a world championship. The WBC's equivalent of the WBA super world championship.

Not sure why this is so hard to understand. It's pretty simple.