Why do so many consider super champions the champ but not franchise champ?

[Cobra Curry]

Everyone hates the Franchise award until it's awarded to their favourite fighter.

[WBC WBA IBF]

Depending on what link you click on the WBC's own website. Some links have Haney listed above Kambosos.

Nobody, anywhere is confused about who the WBA champion is. The WBC themselves intentionally muddied the waters and the president of the organization went out of his way not to clarify when given the chance.

This is why they need to have Haney fight Kambosos and then never mention the Franchise designation in any weight class ever again.

The WBC website hasn't been redesigned since the Franchise world championship was created and since only 1 out of 18 divisions have both a Franchise world champion and a regular world champion, the champions page still defaults to putting a picture of the regular world champion.

That doesn't change the fact that in the official WBC ratings, which are legally binding (unlike the website), the Franchise world championship is clearly listed above the regular world championship.

Further, the WBC has repeatedly said Kambosos is the undisputed champion and his title is higher than Haney's.

So who should we believe about whether Kambosos is undisputed? The four orgs that all say he is their top champion, or some random idiot on the internet?

[WBC WBA IBF]

Go here, use the arrow to go to the end:
https://wbcboxing.com/en/championsratings/

Saul Alvarez still listed as a Franchise Champion.

And Teofimo is still listed as Franchise Champion as well. Who cares? You act like sanctioning bodies always update their websites the second a title changes hands.

Does the WBC say Kambosos is the undisputed champion? Yes. Does the WBC say the Franchise world championship is a higher honor than the regular world championship? Yes.

Do all four orgs say Kambosos is their top champion? Yes.

Case closed.

[kushking]

The WBC website hasn't been redesigned since the Franchise world championship was created and since only 1 out of 18 divisions have both a Franchise world champion and a regular world champion, the champions page still defaults to putting a picture of the regular world champion.

That doesn't change the fact that in the official WBC ratings, which are legally binding (unlike the website), the Franchise world championship is clearly listed above the regular world championship.

Further, the WBC has repeatedly said Kambosos is the undisputed champion and his title is higher than Haney's.

So who should we believe about whether Kambosos is undisputed? The four orgs that all say he is their top champion, or some random idiot on the internet?

The website at time of the thread was showing Kambosos above Haney at LW under Ratings section & Canelo above Charlo at MW,they literally must have just changed it today

[WBC WBA IBF]

The website at time of the thread was showing Kambosos above Haney at LW under Ratings section & Canelo above Charlo at MW,they literally must have just changed it today

I am not talking about any "section" on the website. I am talking about the legally binding officially published ratings that are released once a month.

https://wbcboxing.com/mailing/2021/r...EMBER_2021.pdf

[IronDanHamza]

The major difference is every media outlet and all the other organizations recognize the WBA Super title, whereas only the WBC recognizes the Franchise Champion, and Sulaiman himself refuses to say whether Kambosos or Haney is their true champion. Nobody, anywhere is confused about whether Usyk or Bryan is the true WBA heavyweight champion.

Suliman said Kambosos (Or previously Lopez) is their Champion.

Regardless, I don't care who recognizes it or not, once upon a time the WBO wasn't recognized at all let alone their "Super" Champion.

Fact is the "Super" and "Franchise" are a carbon copy of each other.

[Scotland The Brave]

Credit where it's due, some boxers have openly said they're not interested in the Franchise scam. Deontay Wilder said he has no interest in it and wanted to fight mandatories. That last part is a bit of a sore point, but at least he made his stance very clear And Haney has also said he wants no part of it. So if he beats Kambosis, I guess Kambo can stay Franchise Champ. After all, it was supposed to be a "special designation" rather than a title. Similar to the "Eternal Champion" and "Diamond Champion". WBC originally claimed it wasn't transferrable.

If only Lomachenko hadn't entertained this nonsense, we'd all be better off - except the WBC of course as this Franchise scam was all about collecting double the sanctioning fees.

[Lance98]

Super champs like WBA super champs have mandatory obligations and are not champs created to duck other fighters, franchise champ is the opposite. It's very simple...

[WBC WBA IBF]

Credit where it's due, some boxers have openly said they're not interested in the Franchise scam. Deontay Wilder said he has no interest in it and wanted to fight mandatories. That last part is a bit of a sore point, but at least he made his stance very clear And Haney has also said he wants no part of it. So if he beats Kambosis, I guess Kambo can stay Franchise Champ. After all, it was supposed to be a "special designation" rather than a title. Similar to the "Eternal Champion" and "Diamond Champion". WBC originally claimed it wasn't transferrable.

Credit to the WBC for making it optional and credit to the champions for not wanting it. Now it's time to get rid of it. It was a horrible idea and should be phased out.

But Kambosos is still undisputed champion and so was Lopez. Lopez has publicly shown the certifications from the WBC that his fight with Lomachenko was sanctioned as a world title fight.

[WBC WBA IBF]

Super champs like WBA super champs have mandatory obligations and are not champs created to duck other fighters, franchise champ is the opposite. It's very simple...

You're wrong. The super world championship was specifically created so people could duck their mandatories. Some super world championships have gone years and years without there ever being a mandatory. Thankfully the US government threatened the WBA and they're being forced to get rid of the super world championship. Once they do, I'm sure the WBC will get rid of the franchise world championship.