Why do so many consider super champions the champ but not franchise champ?

[M312]

Super champ is just the name that they made for the real champion.

Franchise champion is a new title made for people who don't want to face mandatories. The 'title' doesn't even have a division. E.g. Canelo will be franchise champion when he's at Cruiser. He's representating the WBC.

Basically franchise title is not a real title. Just a bedside trincket.

I don't understand why any boxing fan wouldn't know this.

[kushking]

Super champ is just the name that they made for the real champion.

Franchise champion is a new title made for people who don't want to face mandatories. The 'title' doesn't even have a division. E.g. Canelo will be franchise champion when he's at Cruiser. He's representating the WBC.

Basically franchise title is not a real title. Just a bedside trincket.

I don't understand why any boxing fan wouldn't know this.

Obviously you don't realize that thats completely wrong,Wbc franchise champ still has to fight whoever the Wbc says,on a case by case basis no different from the super champ in Wbo/Wba. (If Teo doesn't fight the other champs or next orgs mandatory he would've been ordered by Wbc to fight Haney,when Loma had the belt same applies.(The title does have a single division which is why Wbc still has Canelo as franchise champ at mw not at Smw/Lhw etc.

The Wba/Wbo super champ is selectively awarded in certain divisions & not others,the Wbc now has 3 Franchise champs & that's exactly how the super champion started after Lennox Lewis suggested it to the Wba(if you read my 2nd post)

[kushking]

Yo Kushking what is up with your sig? The Mortal Kombat one...

Are you, 2 years later, implying Gvozdyk has no heart?!

You tell me if Gvoz has heart?(he had 1 lucky win over Adonis,but after fighting Beterbieve he quit boxing with barely any pro fights. He folded like a box of chairs at the 1st adversity he faced in his career,& Beterbieve wasn't whooping him badly enough to warrant folding so easily imo.(he wanted out of that fight as soon as he felt Beterbieves punch)

[WBC WBA IBF]

Super champ is just the name that they made for the real champion.

Franchise champion is a new title made for people who don't want to face mandatories. The 'title' doesn't even have a division. E.g. Canelo will be franchise champion when he's at Cruiser. He's representating the WBC.

Basically franchise title is not a real title. Just a bedside trincket.

I don't understand why any boxing fan wouldn't know this.

Super was a new title made for people who didn't want to fight mandatories. Canelo hasn't been listed as franchise champion in the ratings for a while. You're incorrect.

The bottom line is some in the media are trying to ignore the franchise world title because they regret ever acknowledging the super world title.

Facts are facts though. Kambosos is the top champion in every org and therefore he's the undisputed champion.

[Toffee]

This is a lie.


Here are the official WBA ratings: https://www.wbaboxing.com/wp-content...1-november.pdf

WBC Franchise world champion Juan Estrada is listed as WBC champion.


Here are the official IBF ratings: https://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/inde...?view=rankings

WBC Franchise world champion Juan Estrada is listed as WBC champion.


Here are the official WBO ratings: https://www.wboboxing.com/wp-content/themes/wbo/pdf.php

WBC Franchise world champion Juan Estrada is listed as WBC champion.


Also, the IBF only allows their title to be unified with the highest title of another organization. The IBF does allow their title to be unified with the Franchise world title, which means they view it as the WBC's top title.

WTF?

Both orgs list Haney as WBC Champion!

[Toffee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7INEbyf3H9Y

Did you watch it?

He never referred to Franchise being the real champion. He says Haney is the champion of the division. Lopez and now Kambosos held a designation of high esteem. But he's not the champion.

[WBC WBA IBF]

Did you watch it?

He never referred to Franchise being the real champion. He says Haney is the champion of the division. Lopez and now Kambosos held a designation of high esteem. But he's not the champion.

He literally motioned with his hands that the Franchise world title is higher than the regular world title.

In the official ratings, the Franchise world title is higher than the regular world title.

The WBC has repeatedly said Kambosos is undisputed champion, which means Haney's belt is secondary.

[WBC WBA IBF]

WTF?

Both orgs list Haney as WBC Champion!

Yes, and all three list Juan Estrada, who is Franchise world champion. So you can't claim the Franchise world title is unrecognized as clearly the WBA, IBF and WBO recognize it.

[M312]

Obviously you don't realize that thats completely wrong,Wbc franchise champ still has to fight whoever the Wbc says,on a case by case basis no different from the super champ in Wbo/Wba. (If Teo doesn't fight the other champs or next orgs mandatory he would've been ordered by Wbc to fight Haney,when Loma had the belt same applies.(The title does have a single division which is why Wbc still has Canelo as franchise champ at mw not at Smw/Lhw etc.

The Wba/Wbo super champ is selectively awarded in certain divisions & not others,the Wbc now has 3 Franchise champs & that's exactly how the super champion started after Lennox Lewis suggested it to the Wba(if you read my 2nd post)

Obviously you don't realise that making things up in your posts doesn't make it true.


From the WBC rules:
A Franchise Boxer shall enjoy special status with respect to his or her mandatory obligations, holding multiple titles and competing for titles of other organizations, as the WBC Board of Governors, in its sole discretion, rules on a case-by-case basis.

Mauricio has cleared this up and has said that as they are elite boxers, they don't need to have mandatories.

Also:
The WBC will always support Canelo, he is our Franchise Champion, which allows him to seek any kind of challenge and not hindering him is a virtue with that designation. He has an open path to look for alternative ways and we will support him unconditionally
On why Canelo/Mukabu Cruiserweight has been sanctioned.




No boxing fan should support a belt that has 'special status' for mandatories. This is boxing.

And no boxing fan should support an orga nonsense. Just stop it.

Lovely belt for the bedside cabinet though

[kushking]

Obviously you don't realise that making things up in your posts doesn't make it true.


From the WBC rules:
A Franchise Boxer shall enjoy special status with respect to his or her mandatory obligations, holding multiple titles and competing for titles of other organizations, as the WBC Board of Governors, in its sole discretion, rules on a case-by-case basis.

Mauricio has cleared this up and has said that as they are elite boxers, they don't need to have mandatories.

Also:
The WBC will always support Canelo, he is our Franchise Champion, which allows him to seek any kind of challenge and not hindering him is a virtue with that designation. He has an open path to look for alternative ways and we will support him unconditionally
On why Canelo/Mukabu Cruiserweight has been sanctioned.




No boxing fan should support a belt that has 'special status' for mandatories. This is boxing.

And no boxing fan should support an orga nonsense. Just stop it.

Lovely belt for the bedside cabinet though

Obviously your reading comprehension sucks,the rules CLEARLY say that the Wbc gets to decide who the franchise champ fights(even the world champ has to get approved for whomever they fight thats not a mandatory) (ffs you even posted the rule that says the Wbc gets to pick who the franchise champ fights

(the Wbc has made it clear on numerous occasions that if their champs aren't fighting a mando or champ from different division they have to fight who they tell them to(it even says so under franchise champ rule you just posted,so you're obviously talking out of your ass, especially because they ordered Canelo to fight Yildirim even though he was fighting nothing but champs for like 5 fights in a row)

Ps you're obviously too lazy to read the Super champ rules or you'd know they grant the same exact privileges as franchise(that the Wbo/Wba gets to decide whether to force them to fight someone on a case by case basis,& so far the Wbc franchise champs have all been fighting much better comp than Super champs like Bud who went 3 yrs without a mando defense)