The more I see Plant the more I think he probably outboxes Canelo

[kushking]

Do points still work as before? I'm happy to take a friendly wager on it.

You've actually just made me miss betting points back in the good old days, it added a little fun/bragging rights to it.

I'll bet you whatever amount you want,(you can trust me that I'll pay up if I lose)

[MONGOOSE66]

I think its gone from Canelo struggling vs movers/slicksters being a touch overplayed too him being overrated vs them. Maybe not overrated but given the benefit of the doubt a bit too much.

Plant is a better boxer from a technical standpoint at least, than BJS for example. BJS to me talented sure but for me he never really translated well to the pros despite achieving a fair amount. He is one of those that is very very good for the first four rounds after that he just losses the snap on his shots, looks laboured and just looks like your average run-of-the-mill southpaw. Double jab, double jab, double jab left hand zzz
Basic.

BJS appears slicker because he bends at the waist a lot, a bit more herky-jerky and fights with a bit more ''swag'' but I don't think he's as slick, as polished or fundamentally sound as Plant just more cagey/jittery,
I'm not sure he is athletic either maybe on par for 4 or so rounds. That isn't to say I am 100% sold on Plants stamina I did think he faded in a few of his earlier fights notably against Uzcategui.
The more I see Plant he more I am impressed. I think there are a lot of unknowns/questions but the more I see him the more he reminds me of Andre Ward, SMW Ward minus the inside fighting & roughhouse tactics. Not the visibly slower, less sharp LHW version. I don't think SMW Ward gets the credit he deserved, he was a beast at that weight.

That is no gimme or easy fight for Canelo.

Toughest fight for Canelo since Lara imo and I think he is actually a tougher fight than Beterbiev and Benavidez. They would try walk him down, you don't pressure a Mexican counter-puncher. Its like Marquez you go too him he will light your ass up.
You box him, you make him lead and that is Plants MO.

Plant has the tools to win this, skillwise, stylistically. He does a lot of what recent opposition have done well vs Canelo but better.
He has a faster, sharper jab than GGG. He has the versatility and feints GGG lacks. The athleticism and defensive footwork to get back out of range with better glove positioning and reflexes.
GGG just has a power jab. Just a hard thudding jab he really commits too, he steps in very hard with it. Plant can hook off the jab. He has a good stab-jab, sets it up well fakes it and will walk you onto the check hook and tie you up, classic Floyd. Constantly feinting with purpose now like these mimickers out there, these endless amount of copycats that are doing certain moves with no real purpose behind them.
He's a good boxer, very educated lead hand. He might have the most educated left hand lead in boxing right now.

I have Plant outboxing him. 116-112 type fight

I'll go a step further and say I don't think Canelo has any real advantages apart from power, experience and probably the chin. Fundamentals, skills, Plant all day. He's a better boxer than Canelo, period.
TLDR

Ive been thinking the same thing. It is possible but I just don’t think Plant has enough experience to pull this off. Canelo should easily set traps for him but time will tell.

[tokon]

Canelo is pissed off now and is saying if Plant persists in talking about him and past drug accusations, he'd cancel the fight (DBN).

Really?

Canelo playing the prima donna card too much if he has threatened this.

[dan_cov]

So if Plant doesn’t the perform the way you WANT him to what will be your verdict of Canelo? What if Canelo is on his off night but still beats Plant? What if Plant is on his A game but still looks inferior in skill and isn’t throwing.

I already think Canelo is P4P #1 (If I was to subscribe to such a thing) and a great fighter but that doesn't mean he hasn't flaws or can't be beaten.
I'm not sure what it does on the grand scheme or how much it would change my personal verdict on him as I do and have always held him in very high regard.
On the flip if Plant wins or schools him I don't feel it changes my perception of Canelo and certainly doesn't take away from his achievements.
Two elite fighters albeit one far more unproven going at it in their respective primes.

Its difficult to say especially without seeing it but beating Plant in any manner can only add to his already cemented legacy.

[keithj]

I think some people get caught in the hype around mediocre matchups. This is very lopsided.

[DaNeutral.]

I think its gone from Canelo struggling vs movers/slicksters being a touch overplayed too him being overrated vs them. Maybe not overrated but given the benefit of the doubt a bit too much.

Plant is a better boxer from a technical standpoint at least, than BJS for example. BJS to me talented sure but for me he never really translated well to the pros despite achieving a fair amount. He is one of those that is very very good for the first four rounds after that he just losses the snap on his shots, looks laboured and just looks like your average run-of-the-mill southpaw. Double jab, double jab, double jab left hand zzz
Basic.

BJS appears slicker because he bends at the waist a lot, a bit more herky-jerky and fights with a bit more ''swag'' but I don't think he's as slick, as polished or fundamentally sound as Plant just more cagey/jittery,
I'm not sure he is athletic either maybe on par for 4 or so rounds. That isn't to say I am 100% sold on Plants stamina I did think he faded in a few of his earlier fights notably against Uzcategui.
The more I see Plant he more I am impressed. I think there are a lot of unknowns/questions but the more I see him the more he reminds me of Andre Ward, SMW Ward minus the inside fighting & roughhouse tactics. Not the visibly slower, less sharp LHW version. I don't think SMW Ward gets the credit he deserved, he was a beast at that weight.

That is no gimme or easy fight for Canelo.

Toughest fight for Canelo since Lara imo and I think he is actually a tougher fight than Beterbiev and Benavidez. They would try walk him down, you don't pressure a Mexican counter-puncher. Its like Marquez you go too him he will light your ass up.
You box him, you make him lead and that is Plants MO.

Plant has the tools to win this, skillwise, stylistically. He does a lot of what recent opposition have done well vs Canelo but better.
He has a faster, sharper jab than GGG. He has the versatility and feints GGG lacks. The athleticism and defensive footwork to get back out of range with better glove positioning and reflexes.
GGG just has a power jab. Just a hard thudding jab he really commits too, he steps in very hard with it. Plant can hook off the jab. He has a good stab-jab, sets it up well fakes it and will walk you onto the check hook and tie you up, classic Floyd. Constantly feinting with purpose now like these mimickers out there, these endless amount of copycats that are doing certain moves with no real purpose behind them.
He's a good boxer, very educated lead hand. He might have the most educated left hand lead in boxing right now.

I have Plant outboxing him. 116-112 type fight

I'll go a step further and say I don't think Canelo has any real advantages apart from power, experience and probably the chin. Fundamentals, skills, Plant all day. He's a better boxer than Canelo, period.
TLDR

This is so much better than so many threads that start with fighter A beats fighter B cuz fighter A is the best ever and fighter B is a bum.

[dan_cov]

I think some people get caught in the hype around mediocre matchups. This is very lopsided.

What makes you feel this will be lopsided?
Even you disagree with Plant having better technique and such in certain areas you don't feel his height, length, speed, athleticism, ring I.Q will be problematic?

I think Plants a fantastic, very well schooled fighter and like Canelo he is a true student of the game and only getting better.
I see so many people taking from Rigondeaux, Ward, Floyd etc and while they're great too study I feel a lot imitate them without truly understanding the purpose behind the moves they do. They do it just cause it looks good really but I think that is what sets Canelo & Plant both apart is a deeper understanding or what they're looking at.
Plant is a very intelligent fighter. I do not for the life of me see this being lopsided.
Should it be I highly doubt Plant isn't as good as I thought, I figure it will simply mean Canelo is even better than I had him down as.

I 've seen nothing to suggest it will be lopsided or a blowout or anything other than two elite boxers in their primes in a competitive/very competitive fight.

I hope its not lopsided not because I care if I am wrong but feel if so people won't give Canelo his credit as much as they would claim Plant was a bum.

[QueensburyRules]

I think its gone from Canelo struggling vs movers/slicksters being a touch overplayed too him being overrated vs them. Maybe not overrated but given the benefit of the doubt a bit too much.

Plant is a better boxer from a technical standpoint at least, than BJS for example. BJS to me talented sure but for me he never really translated well to the pros despite achieving a fair amount. He is one of those that is very very good for the first four rounds after that he just losses the snap on his shots, looks laboured and just looks like your average run-of-the-mill southpaw. Double jab, double jab, double jab left hand zzz
Basic.

BJS appears slicker because he bends at the waist a lot, a bit more herky-jerky and fights with a bit more ''swag'' but I don't think he's as slick, as polished or fundamentally sound as Plant just more cagey/jittery,
I'm not sure he is athletic either maybe on par for 4 or so rounds. That isn't to say I am 100% sold on Plants stamina I did think he faded in a few of his earlier fights notably against Uzcategui.
The more I see Plant he more I am impressed. I think there are a lot of unknowns/questions but the more I see him the more he reminds me of Andre Ward, SMW Ward minus the inside fighting & roughhouse tactics. Not the visibly slower, less sharp LHW version. I don't think SMW Ward gets the credit he deserved, he was a beast at that weight.

That is no gimme or easy fight for Canelo.

Toughest fight for Canelo since Lara imo and I think he is actually a tougher fight than Beterbiev and Benavidez. They would try walk him down, you don't pressure a Mexican counter-puncher. Its like Marquez you go too him he will light your ass up.
You box him, you make him lead and that is Plants MO.

Plant has the tools to win this, skillwise, stylistically. He does a lot of what recent opposition have done well vs Canelo but better.
He has a faster, sharper jab than GGG. He has the versatility and feints GGG lacks. The athleticism and defensive footwork to get back out of range with better glove positioning and reflexes.
GGG just has a power jab. Just a hard thudding jab he really commits too, he steps in very hard with it. Plant can hook off the jab. He has a good stab-jab, sets it up well fakes it and will walk you onto the check hook and tie you up, classic Floyd. Constantly feinting with purpose now like these mimickers out there, these endless amount of copycats that are doing certain moves with no real purpose behind them.
He's a good boxer, very educated lead hand. He might have the most educated left hand lead in boxing right now.

I have Plant outboxing him. 116-112 type fight

I'll go a step further and say I don't think Canelo has any real advantages apart from power, experience and probably the chin. Fundamentals, skills, Plant all day. He's a better boxer than Canelo, period.
TLDR

- -The more I see of U cabbages and turnips, the closer to the stew pot U become. Maybe toss in a handful of basel and stir fried sausage at the very end, and by gum,by golly we'll have a grand healthy meal for the celebrations to come...

[Thuglife Nelo]

I already think Canelo is P4P #1 (If I was to subscribe to such a thing) and a great fighter but that doesn't mean he hasn't flaws or can't be beaten.
I'm not sure what it does on the grand scheme or how much it would change my personal verdict on him as I do and have always held him in very high regard.
On the flip if Plant wins or schools him I don't feel it changes my perception of Canelo and certainly doesn't take away from his achievements.
Two elite fighters albeit one far more unproven going at it in their respective primes.

Its difficult to say especially without seeing it but beating Plant in any manner can only add to his already cemented legacy.

Sure but that’s not what I asked. I was eluding to that if Plant freezes up in this fight and doesn’t perform as he did in previous fights and folds under pressure like several as late, what would you say about Canelo’s skill since you’re so high on Plant. Every inch, second, distance, reflex, timing, feinting makes a huge difference in a fight with Canelo. He makes you really uncomfortable. That was seen in GGG 2.

[Raggamuffin]

Canelo ain't a face first brawler and his boxing skills are levels above Plant. His head and upper body movements remind me of a mix of Floyd and Sweet Pea, when he wants to. Yes, he's flatfooted sometimes too, depending on opponent. He could easily beat Plant on pure boxing if he chose. I don't wanna see that. I wanna see those piston sounding Canelo right straights and hooks to the body. He doesn't even need to look for Plant's head. Not sure if Plant wants this fight based on his recent rants.

Plant will be moving all night until he can’t move anymore…and that’s when Canelo will catch up to him. Ward will show Plant how to use the jab and clinch. Ward in his prime is strong enough to do that, but Plant isn’t.