I watched it all back. I'm putting money on Wilder to beat Fury in the third fight. Here's why.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I like the analysis, but this fight is pretty simple.

Fury is a massive favourite because he has outboxed Wilder twice with two different styles. He's had the answers twice now. The odds are that he has too much again regardless of what type of fight it is.

If Wilder can catch Fury clean then he can win. It's still just a puncher's chance, no matter how considered that punch may be.

Any chance I gave Wilder has diminished though. He needs something special to win a fight he's a massive outsider for. And he's getting trained by his mate, in his garage. He's not giving himself the best chance.

Not you too, Toffee.

Pac/Marquez 1. What happened?

Marquez was the champion.

Pacquiao basically had success in the first half of the fight - enough that a case could be made that his hand should have been raised in a close, competitive match. It wasn't. It goes to a draw.


Pac/Marquez 2. What happened?

Pacquiao gets his hand raised. Nobody agrees with the decision, even though Marquez did coast.


Pac/Marquez 3. What happened?

Marquez gets straight up robbed of a victory in a fight where he clearly - clearly - showed massive improvement.


Pac/Marquez 4. You know what happened.


My point is, the more two guys fight, the more they learn each other, but at the end of the day, power is going to win out eventually.

Fury called Wilder a one-trick. I would argue that Fury is a two-trick - and Wilder already figured out Defensive Fury. He's now had a very long time to evaluate and figure out Aggressive Fury. Meanwhile, Fury will (by his own admission) come in expecting Wilder to be tentative and look for the right hand again. But if Wilder comes in aggressive, I firmly believe Fury takes an L. I firmly believe it.

Not because of Wilder. Because of Fury.

[Stuntman Mike]

Fury has excellent defense. Movement that makes it very difficult to reach him but also general defense that even if you do reach him, you can't land square.

Except when three things happen.

1. Fury tends to duck down when a combo is coming his way. He leaves his head vulnerable for a split second on the way back up. The only punch that could feasibly do anything is a cross or a lunging hook, because he leans backward, every time. Even Paulie called it out.

2. Fury will make every effort to avoid punches from the opponent's power hand, but just deflect or smother punches from the opposite hand.



When he fought a Ben Davidson-trained, overly defensive Fury, what got Fury dropped was a combination of #1 and #2, due to Fury's defensive style. Notice the sequence:



Fury goes to deflect what looks like a straight jab but is just a feint by Wilder, then gets nailed by that right hand, but because Fury tries to go down to smother it and lessen the impact of it, the left hook gets him on the way back up. Since he was already in backwards motion and since the left hand isn't Wilder's power hand, it wasn't going to keep Fury down. That's why Fury's eyes were wide open looking at the ref the whole time. He wasn't "knocked out". Buzzed, yes. But that's all.


But then #3...

3. Fury's defense suffers greatly when he's mid-throw. It doesn't even matter what he's throwing, he does a terrible job of defending himself while throwing a punch if the opponent is in range.

#3 is the one that I think works best in Wilder's favor against a Sugarhill Steward-trained, more aggressive Fury.


I went back and reviewed other fights. This is Fury's single Achilles heel - when he goes on the offensive, he's extremely vulnerable if the other person has enough activity and power to do something about it.

One of Tyson's early fights was Neven Pajkić - who never officially retired but who only ever lost to Tyson. The first one to put Tyson on his ass. Look at the sequence:



Pajkić was arguably robbed by a trigger ref in that fight and Fury would not agree to the rematch. Possibly because he didn't want Pajkić exploiting this weakness...?


USS Cunningham sequence. Notice - Tyson is doing the same combo, again fails to protect himself and gets nailed by (essentially) the same shot, same hand (the right).

After these two fights Fury adopted a heavily defensive fight style and wasn't dropped again...until Wilder/Fury 1.

Think about that. Deontay Wilder figured out the loophole that even Grabomir Clinchko, once considered the #1 guy in the division, couldn't figure out for Fury. Wilder couldn't exploit in the rematch because Fury basically upped the aggression and reverted back to before the shift.

But an aggressive Fury is a vulnerable Fury, if Wilder ups his aggression and lures him into a mistake.

In watching the sessions with Wilder and Malik, I believe Malik is teaching Wilder how to goad Fury into war and set him up to eat a shot just like Pajkić and Cunningham landed. If he lands the right flush like those two did and he's got full power behind it, I don't think Fury survives much longer.


Yes, this all depends on Wilder showing up with the right strategy. But it also depends on Fury being overconfident, and just like with Pajkić and Cunningham, that may very well be the game changer for a Wilder upset of the lineal champion.

Great thread , I've had a sneaking su****ion that wilder is going to win this one he just has to trade with Fury and be a lot sharper ...he has the power he needs to take one to give one imo



You should make a thread showing how you think manny pacquiao is going to bomb out spence with debts similar to this

[andocom]

Spoken like someone who didn't bother to read the point under bullets #1 and #2. Which happened AFTER Clinchko. He has the same exact vulnerabilities and eats the same shots from the same angles as he always did. He hasn't improved that because he hasn't needed to - thus why "All In" Wallin damn near stopped him.

You guys dead set against all things Wilder...your thongs are showing. You are completely ignoring the due diligence and facts I shared in the first post. Even though I showed you visual evidence that Fury is the actual vulnerable one this time around.

Let me put it another way.

Tyson Fury is on the decline more than Wilder is - and this third fight will showcase that.

Just like Joshua showed you that Ruiz is on the decline more than he is in their rematch, for the same reason.

Who did you pick in the first two fights?

[Combat Talk Radio]

Who did you pick in the first two fights?

Fury. Both times.

I didn't expect a stoppage in the second fight, but I expected Fury to beat Wilder simply because the draw threw Wilder off. He thought he could knock out anyone he landed that punch on, but what he failed to notice is that he didn't get all of that right hand. Fury smothered it.

In the second fight he landed the right hand flush in round 2, but again, Fury was prepared for it.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Great thread , I've had a sneaking su****ion that wilder is going to win this one he just has to trade with Fury and be a lot sharper ...he has the power he needs to take one to give one imo



You should make a thread showing how you think manny pacquiao is going to bomb out spence with debts similar to this

Can't, because Pacquiao's history is blatantly in favor of Errol Spence.

He went three fights, never being able to decisively beat Marquez, and even got a robbery in the third, then got dropped before being knocked spark out in the fourth. Why? He overcommitted to punches. That favors Spence.

Against Bradley in the first and second fight, Bradley exposed that Manny doesn't like getting walked down anymore. That favors Spence.

Jeff Horn exposed that Manny doesn't like bullies. That favors Spence.

Floyd exposed that Manny doesn't like a jab pumped in his face and he doesn't like getting timed. That favors Spence.

Broner exposed that Manny no longer has mysterious put down or knockout power. That favors Spence.

Keef and Horn exposed that as long as you go forward, NOT backward, you will win rounds against Manny. That favors Spence.

Clottey exposed that Manny is no longer able to do significant damage to guys larger than him, thanks to random testing. That favors Spence.

The only thing that favors Manny in this fight is speed - and speed is the first to go as you age. He can't do the same angles he did before.

[boxinglife8]

Fury has excellent defense. Movement that makes it very difficult to reach him but also general defense that even if you do reach him, you can't land square.

Except when three things happen.

1. Fury tends to duck down when a combo is coming his way. He leaves his head vulnerable for a split second on the way back up. The only punch that could feasibly do anything is a cross or a lunging hook, because he leans backward, every time. Even Paulie called it out.

2. Fury will make every effort to avoid punches from the opponent's power hand, but just deflect or smother punches from the opposite hand.



When he fought a Ben Davidson-trained, overly defensive Fury, what got Fury dropped was a combination of #1 and #2, due to Fury's defensive style. Notice the sequence:



Fury goes to deflect what looks like a straight jab but is just a feint by Wilder, then gets nailed by that right hand, but because Fury tries to go down to smother it and lessen the impact of it, the left hook gets him on the way back up. Since he was already in backwards motion and since the left hand isn't Wilder's power hand, it wasn't going to keep Fury down. That's why Fury's eyes were wide open looking at the ref the whole time. He wasn't "knocked out". Buzzed, yes. But that's all.


But then #3...

3. Fury's defense suffers greatly when he's mid-throw. It doesn't even matter what he's throwing, he does a terrible job of defending himself while throwing a punch if the opponent is in range.

#3 is the one that I think works best in Wilder's favor against a Sugarhill Steward-trained, more aggressive Fury.


I went back and reviewed other fights. This is Fury's single Achilles heel - when he goes on the offensive, he's extremely vulnerable if the other person has enough activity and power to do something about it.

One of Tyson's early fights was Neven Pajkić - who never officially retired but who only ever lost to Tyson. The first one to put Tyson on his ass. Look at the sequence:



Pajkić was arguably robbed by a trigger ref in that fight and Fury would not agree to the rematch. Possibly because he didn't want Pajkić exploiting this weakness...?


USS Cunningham sequence. Notice - Tyson is doing the same combo, again fails to protect himself and gets nailed by (essentially) the same shot, same hand (the right).

After these two fights Fury adopted a heavily defensive fight style and wasn't dropped again...until Wilder/Fury 1.

Think about that. Deontay Wilder figured out the loophole that even Grabomir Clinchko, once considered the #1 guy in the division, couldn't figure out for Fury. Wilder couldn't exploit in the rematch because Fury basically upped the aggression and reverted back to before the shift.

But an aggressive Fury is a vulnerable Fury, if Wilder ups his aggression and lures him into a mistake.

In watching the sessions with Wilder and Malik, I believe Malik is teaching Wilder how to goad Fury into war and set him up to eat a shot just like Pajkić and Cunningham landed. If he lands the right flush like those two did and he's got full power behind it, I don't think Fury survives much longer.


Yes, this all depends on Wilder showing up with the right strategy. But it also depends on Fury being overconfident, and just like with Pajkić and Cunningham, that may very well be the game changer for a Wilder upset of the lineal champion.

This is a good observation but no chance in hell is wilder the one to execute these weaknesses .Maybe someone with higher caliber of boxing skills.We also have to take into account maybe Fury has made improvements too

[Lonelystoner]

I cant believe yall came to this great thread with that toxic nonsense. This boxing community starting to give me a headache reading through negativity all the time

[TheMyspaceDayz]

Fury has excellent defense. Movement that makes it very difficult to reach him but also general defense that even if you do reach him, you can't land square.

Except when three things happen.

1. Fury tends to duck down when a combo is coming his way. He leaves his head vulnerable for a split second on the way back up. The only punch that could feasibly do anything is a cross or a lunging hook, because he leans backward, every time. Even Paulie called it out.

2. Fury will make every effort to avoid punches from the opponent's power hand, but just deflect or smother punches from the opposite hand.



When he fought a Ben Davidson-trained, overly defensive Fury, what got Fury dropped was a combination of #1 and #2, due to Fury's defensive style. Notice the sequence:



Fury goes to deflect what looks like a straight jab but is just a feint by Wilder, then gets nailed by that right hand, but because Fury tries to go down to smother it and lessen the impact of it, the left hook gets him on the way back up. Since he was already in backwards motion and since the left hand isn't Wilder's power hand, it wasn't going to keep Fury down. That's why Fury's eyes were wide open looking at the ref the whole time. He wasn't "knocked out". Buzzed, yes. But that's all.


But then #3...

3. Fury's defense suffers greatly when he's mid-throw. It doesn't even matter what he's throwing, he does a terrible job of defending himself while throwing a punch if the opponent is in range.

#3 is the one that I think works best in Wilder's favor against a Sugarhill Steward-trained, more aggressive Fury.


I went back and reviewed other fights. This is Fury's single Achilles heel - when he goes on the offensive, he's extremely vulnerable if the other person has enough activity and power to do something about it.

One of Tyson's early fights was Neven Pajkić - who never officially retired but who only ever lost to Tyson. The first one to put Tyson on his ass. Look at the sequence:



Pajkić was arguably robbed by a trigger ref in that fight and Fury would not agree to the rematch. Possibly because he didn't want Pajkić exploiting this weakness...?


USS Cunningham sequence. Notice - Tyson is doing the same combo, again fails to protect himself and gets nailed by (essentially) the same shot, same hand (the right).

After these two fights Fury adopted a heavily defensive fight style and wasn't dropped again...until Wilder/Fury 1.

Think about that. Deontay Wilder figured out the loophole that even Grabomir Clinchko, once considered the #1 guy in the division, couldn't figure out for Fury. Wilder couldn't exploit in the rematch because Fury basically upped the aggression and reverted back to before the shift.

But an aggressive Fury is a vulnerable Fury, if Wilder ups his aggression and lures him into a mistake.

In watching the sessions with Wilder and Malik, I believe Malik is teaching Wilder how to goad Fury into war and set him up to eat a shot just like Pajkić and Cunningham landed. If he lands the right flush like those two did and he's got full power behind it, I don't think Fury survives much longer.


Yes, this all depends on Wilder showing up with the right strategy. But it also depends on Fury being overconfident, and just like with Pajkić and Cunningham, that may very well be the game changer for a Wilder upset of the lineal champion.

tl:dr

This reminds me of those scenes where a crazy guy has a bulletin board covered in pictures, post-it notes, old news paper clippings and red string.

Wilder is getting destroyed again. Brace yourself so it doesn’t hit you so hard.

[Combat Talk Radio]

This is a good observation but no chance in hell is wilder the one to execute these weaknesses .Maybe someone with higher caliber of boxing skills.We also have to take into account maybe Fury has made improvements too

Fury hasn't significantly improved since the Clinchko fight. He fights the exact same way he always has because he's not needed to improve.

Thus why - again - "All In" Wallin damn near stopped him.

Meanwhile, Wilder with every fight had shown significant improvement compared to the Sconier days and even the Szpilka days. He did better against a fresher Arreola than Ruiz recently did against a far faded Arreola.

Speaking of Arreola...THAT is the style Wilder needs to adopt against Fury. Yes, Arreola is slower and less reach than Fury, I'm talking about Wilder not being afraid to get in the mix and throw more. Stop being so damn tentative.

[boxinglife8]

Fury hasn't significantly improved since the Clinchko fight. He fights the exact same way he always has because he's not needed to improve.

Thus why - again - "All In" Wallin damn near stopped him.

Meanwhile, Wilder with every fight had shown significant improvement compared to the Sconier days and even the Szpilka days. He did better against a fresher Arreola than Ruiz recently did against a far faded Arreola.

Speaking of Arreola...THAT is the style Wilder needs to adopt against Fury. Yes, Arreola is slower and less reach than Fury, I'm talking about Wilder not being afraid to get in the mix and throw more. Stop being so damn tentative.

Aight hear me out
If wilder needs to be aggressive that means he will have to get in the inside as he has a shorter reach and use hooks uppercuts to create openings.this is something he doesnt posses.Usyk has a better chance inside than Wilder does.When Wilder throws his 1 2 he straight away gets inside and gets lost and clinches to save himself.Thats why im saying judging by wilder previous performances he cant do waht your saying and be aggressive in the inside.If he can stick and move with his jab and set up the right hand then fair play but he cant do that too.
Your saying for him to be aggressive but how so if he barely follows up after his trademark Jab and Backhand