Is anyone actually surprised Fury-AJ has fallen apart?

[Zelda]

Eddie may be surprised Arum wasn't telling the truth. The rest of us, I don't think so.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I thought it was pretty obvious for anyone with a close to average intelligence, Hearn delivered the deal for undisputed that all sides were happy with, the Saudis delivered by putting up the money (in escrow), Arum couldn't even deliver his fighter solid legal guidance on a rematch clause.

Keep in mind that quote was in response to an absolutely insane claim that Arum's a great lawyer and this all played out as per his masterplan, when the reality is he looks completely incompetent as a promoter, lost in arbitration and killed the biggest payday in boxing.

Anyone that thinks Arum has come out of this looking good needs an evaluation.

Nobody has came out looking good. June 2020 Hearn said this fight was “done”. May 2021 it’s completely fallen apart. Nobody has delivered what they were promising the public for 11 months, especially Hearn who talked more about this fight than anyone else.

Arum, Hearn, Fury, Joshua etc all look bad coming out of this, they all led the public down the garden path, I told everybody 11 months ago this fight would not happen.

[The plunger man]

Even if fury paid wilder step aside money he would make 4 times the amount he has ever made against joshua and if wilder accepted it and fury still got in the ring with wilder then it’s a duck.......I’m starting to think with all the fury , arum and Warren talking down this Joshua fight they knew more than they are letting on...I don’t know how this going to end up now but it’s not good for boxing as most people recognise this is the only fight that matters in the heavyweight division.
I know what I would do if I was fury because if wilder pulled off a shock win it will completely derail any future fight with Joshua and the undisputed title fight.
fury loses out on 80 million at least.

[BrometheusBob.]

No, because boxing never delivers what it's supposed to

[andocom]

Nobody has came out looking good. June 2020 Hearn said this fight was “done”. May 2021 it’s completely fallen apart. Nobody has delivered what they were promising the public for 11 months, especially Hearn who talked more about this fight than anyone else.

Arum, Hearn, Fury, Joshua etc all look bad coming out of this, they all led the public down the garden path, I told everybody 11 months ago this fight would not happen.

Show me where Hearn said in June 2020 this fight was "done", I don't recall that.

I really don't think anyone with more than a passing interest in this is blaming Hearn, and certainly not Joshua, seriously what could have he done differently.

Have you ever worked on a large project, where there are multiple deliverables & parties involved (companies or departments etc), you can only do what you are tasked with, if you've done your job and an external party ****s the bed, thats on them. Its like if the project is to supply oil from a refinery to the port via a pipeline, you build the pipeline in time on budget which was your task and the other party responsible for the refinery didn't get legal approval for the refinery in time, the project failed.

Any interested observer doesn't come away thinking company X can't build a pipeline, to the contrary, they come away thinking company Y can't manage a refinery, or in this case Bob Arum can't manage a rematch clause.

[Eff Pandas]

I thought the arbitration was gonna be a nothing thing so yea I'm as surprised as a boxing fan can be about something like this happening. Which probably ain't very surprised.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Show me where Hearn said in June 2020 this fight was "done", I don't recall that.

I really don't think anyone with more than a passing interest in this is blaming Hearn, and certainly not Joshua, seriously what could have he done differently.

Have you ever worked on a large project, where there are multiple deliverables & parties involved (companies or departments etc), you can only do what you are tasked with, if you've done your job and an external party ****s the bed, thats on them. Its like if the project is to supply oil from a refinery to the port via a pipeline, you build the pipeline in time on budget which was your task and the other party responsible for the refinery didn't get legal approval for the refinery in time, the project failed.

Any interested observer doesn't come away thinking company X can't build a pipeline, to the contrary, they come away thinking company Y can't manage a refinery, or in this case Bob Arum can't manage a rematch clause.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...g/52997084.amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...ly-agreed/amp/

“only minor issues to resolve” according to Eddie last December.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/boxing/14346207/anthony-joshua-tyson-fury-contracts-signed-confirmed/amp/

The fight “WILL go ahead” in March.


Eddie is more guilty than anyone for over-promising and consequently under-delivering. He was literally on Sky Sports News everyday telling everyone the “fight was on”.

[andocom]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...g/52997084.amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...ly-agreed/amp/

“only minor issues to resolve” according to Eddie last December.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/boxing/14346207/anthony-joshua-tyson-fury-contracts-signed-confirmed/amp/

The fight “WILL go ahead” in March.


Eddie is more guilty than anyone for over-promising and consequently under-delivering. He was literally on Sky Sports News everyday telling everyone the “fight was on”.

I still don't see Hearn saying the fight in done in June 2020, here is Hearn from the first one:

Hearn added: "They do have intermediate fights. There is Dillian Whyte as a mandatory as well, but always the most difficult part of any deal is getting two parties to agree to the financial elements of the deal.

"The aim for Anthony Joshua is to become the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. He holds all the belts bar one, which is owned by Tyson Fury. So, if Tyson Fury was to lose to Deontay Wilder - which I can't see happening - then we would go straight into the Deontay Wilder fight for the undisputed championship.

This is Hearn in the second one:

He said: “We’ve just got to be a bit careful because you may be on the verge of saying: 'Lets just get rid of politics right now.

“Let’s just drop all the belts because if we lose one belt, we might as well lose them all. We will do whatever we can to make sure that every belt in boxing is on the line in the Tyson Fury fight.

Hearn in the third:

“We’d like to get a site deal confirmed in the next month. “The hard part is always getting everybody to put pen to paper.

"But this was a major effort from all parties to get this over the line. "You had rival promoters, rival networks and rival fighters.

“I actually feel we’ve done the hard part."

Again, kinda looks like Eddie actually delivered, and Arum/Fury couldn't manage a rematch clause to me?

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I still don't see Hearn saying the fight in done in June 2020, here is Hearn from the first one:

Hearn added: "They do have intermediate fights. There is Dillian Whyte as a mandatory as well, but always the most difficult part of any deal is getting two parties to agree to the financial elements of the deal.

"The aim for Anthony Joshua is to become the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. He holds all the belts bar one, which is owned by Tyson Fury. So, if Tyson Fury was to lose to Deontay Wilder - which I can't see happening - then we would go straight into the Deontay Wilder fight for the undisputed championship.

This is Hearn in the second one:

He said: “We’ve just got to be a bit careful because you may be on the verge of saying: 'Lets just get rid of politics right now.

“Let’s just drop all the belts because if we lose one belt, we might as well lose them all. We will do whatever we can to make sure that every belt in boxing is on the line in the Tyson Fury fight.

Hearn in the third:

“We’d like to get a site deal confirmed in the next month. “The hard part is always getting everybody to put pen to paper.

"But this was a major effort from all parties to get this over the line. "You had rival promoters, rival networks and rival fighters.

“I actually feel we’ve done the hard part."

Again, kinda looks like Eddie actually delivered, and Arum/Fury couldn't manage a rematch clause to me?

How did he deliver when the fight didn’t happen?

I’m not excusing Arum, Fury, AJ etc either. They all led the fans down the garden path. I’m just bemused you feel Hearn delivered when he negotiated a fight for 11+ months and that now isn’t happening.

[1hourRun]

A lot of people are lying in this thread, I visit the boxingscene almost everyday and read the threads ; the majority dismissed Deontay Wilder based on the fact that the purses for A.J vs. Fury would be more than enough to pay any law suit against the Gypsy-Bum. No one expected that the judge would order a rematch. A good number of the boxingscene made fools out of themselves dissing the 'Bronze-Bomber', eat crow.